Ervin Laszlo & Marc Gafni: Evolutionary Love

Listen to this audio dialogue between Ervin Laslo & Marc Gafni. The topic is Evolutionary Love.

Ervin Laszlo is a Hungarian philosopher of science, systems theorist, integral theorist, originally a classical pianist. He is the Founder and President of The Club of Budapest, Director and Co-Founder of the Ervin Laszlo Institute for Advanced Study (ELIAS) and of the Laszlo New-Paradigm Leadership Center (Italy)… He is the author or co-author of fifty-four books translated into as many as twenty-three languages, and the editor of another thirty volumes including a four-volume encyclopedia.

Marc Gafni is the Co-Founder and President of the Center for Integral Wisdom, the author of many books including the award winning Your Unique Self, a visionary scholar and integral wisdom teacher.

Ervin Laszlo:

“…everything that happens from the original Big Bang in this universe or in prior universes, when things fall together and move together and create wholes, larger and larger, more and more complex wholes which more and more interact, more and more communicate with each other, and they are really entangled as a physicist would say.

That’s because there is built into each element of this universe, each particle, each atom, each cell in a living organism, its belonging to the others, its coherence with this larger whole, which comes through in spirituality. It comes through in a deeper philosophy. It comes through in a deeper, honest theology. And this is basically what the motor is. If this universe was not built in such a way, was not created with its laws of nature and development in such a way that things pull together to create wholes, then we wouldn’t be here to ask these questions and the universe would still be a random concourse of perhaps carbon – but carbon is already highly integrated – so photons or initial particles, neutrons and electrons, and that wouldn’t be much more than that. Even creating an atom calls for pulling together the elements of the nucleus and the electrons that go around it. So, evolution is what happens, is the essence of things, and evolution is based on the attraction, on the relation of the parts to each other.”

Marc Gafni:

“Allurement… you’re describing a core allurement that exists between all things. You just stated it, of course, so beautifully and so musically and poetically. So let’s try and enter into it for our listeners – and there’ll be tens of thousands of listeners on this set of calls – so I really want to try and break it down for people. So when we talk about – the phrase you use is, not evolutionary love, the formal phrase you use is an all-embracing love, which is a beautiful phrase, which is the force of – and I’m borrowing Thomas Berry’s word – allurement that coheres everything together. Let’s try, if we can, if I could invite just to show people three or four just simple examples. Although you mentioned a couple implicitly even in your first opening, but just as we come deeper into the symphony to get a sense of where do we see that? Where can an average, intelligent layperson see that as it’s unfolding in the evolutionary ascension?”


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John Mackey & Marc Gafni: World Spirituality Dialogue

This is one of the first recorded dialogues that John Mackey and Marc Gafni had. They talk about the relationship between Conscious Entrepreneurship, Unique Self, and World Spirituality based on Integral Principles.

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Ken Wilber, Andrew Cohen & Marc Gafni: Kosmic Creativity

In this dialogue (conducted for KenWilber.com/Integral Naked in 2011), Ken Wilber, Andrew Cohen, and Marc Gafni each offer a 20-minute overview of central topics related to creativity including its connection to evolutionary spirituality and its role as a moral imperative.

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Ken Wilber, Riane Eisler & Marc Gafni: Caring Economy

Riane Eisler, JD is the President of the Center for Partnership Studies and internationally known as a systems scientist, attorney working for the human rights of women and children, and author of groundbreaking books such as The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future, now in 26 foreign editions, and The Real Wealth of Nations: Creating a Caring Economics. Dr. Eisler has received many honors, including honorary PhDs and peace and human rights awards. She lectures worldwide, with venues including the United Nations General Assembly, the U.S. Department of State, Congressional briefings, universities, corporations, conference keynotes, and events hosted by heads of State.

Ken Wilber and Marc Gafni discuss with her from an Integral Wisdom, Unique Self, and World Spirituality perspective her latest book The Real Wealth of Nations: Creating a Caring Economics.

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Marc Gafni: The Future of Love

Listen to Marc Gafni’s keynote speech on the Future of Love from the correspondent teleseries.

This series started in 2010 in preparation for the Second Integral Spiritual Experience that was lead by Marc Gafni, Sally Kempton, and Diane Hamilton. We include some of these dialogues in this broader series on Love & Eros.

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Diane Hamilton, Sally Kempton & Marc Gafni: Future of Love ISE 2

Listen to this dialogue on the Future of Love from the correspondent teleseries.

This series started in 2010 in preparation for the Second Integral Spiritual Experience that was lead by Marc Gafni, Sally Kempton, and Diane Hamilton. We include some of these dialogues in this broader series on Love & Eros.

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Andrew Cohen & Marc Gafni: Future of Love

Listen to this series of three dialogues between Andrew Cohen and Marc Gafni as part of the series The Future of Love.

Andrew Cohen and Marc Gafni have engaged in dialogues in both formal and informal contexts over a number of years, beginning at a shared retreat in Israel in 2005. One of the major motifs of the dialogues was an attempt to clarify the distinctions between their two visions of enlightened consciousness.

Over the years, students from different communities asked for the distinctions to be elucidated and laid out in a clear fashion. What emerges is that Andrew and Marc share the belief that the realization of classical enlightenment, what is often called True Self, is the ultimate goal of the enlightenment journey. Both Andrew and Marc point to a realization beyond being, beyond the realization of one’s true nature. This evolutionary realization is called Authentic Self by Andrew and Unique Self by Marc.

There has been another dialogue between them that charts some of the shared features and differences between these two visions.  You can read the partial transcript of that dialogue here.

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