The following dialogue from November 2007 is between Randall Paul, a Mormon scholar, businessman, and spiritual activist, and Dr. Marc Gafni. Randall is the founder and director of the Center for Interreligious Diplomacy.

Besides being a successful entrepreneur, Dr. Paul earned his Doctorate Degree from the University of Chicago and is deeply rooted both in his own tradition and in the major canons of Western religion, psychology, literature, and philosophy. The topic of this dialogue is the nature of Betrayal as a primary human experience and an invitation to one’s own spiritual evolution and liberation.

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