Sianna Sherman, Sally Kempton, and Dr. Marc Gafni in Dialogue

On A Return to Eros

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In this translineage conversation, Sianna Sherman, Sally Kempton, and Dr. Marc Gafni talk about how they each view Eros, Shakti, radical aliveness and how we can go about embodying this sense of allurement in our lives.

Sianna Sherman is an internationally celebrated yoga teacher, evocative storyteller, and passionate speaker at conferences and festivals throughout the world. She is the founder of Rasa Yoga, Mythic Yoga Flow®, and co-founder of Urban Priestess® – a platform that serves the empowerment of women. She was featured in Yoga Journal as one of the 21 top teachers shaping the future of yoga. Sianna has a unique ability to touch the human heart through story, transmission and devotional practice. As a globetrotting yogini, she leads high-vibration gatherings, teacher trainings, workshops, sacred site retreats and pilgrimages as an offering of Love. Sianna is an innovative, visionary spirit with a deep devotion to Soul Alchemy, and her teachings are a true convergence of science, mysticism, art and yoga. Her vision is to serve for the Benefit of All Beings & awaken magic into the world!

Sally Kempton teaches meditation as a process of inner exploration, in which we learn to integrate heart, mind and body in order to experience our natural state of wisdom and love. Sally also offers a wide variety of classes on yogic wisdom texts, as well as hands-on, contemplative practices for moving through psychological obstructions, understanding the intricacies of inner life, and how to apply spiritual principles to relationships, work, and life in our time. Students say that her classes create an atmosphere of support and joy that allows deep exploration. “Sally’s classes are deeply transformative,” a student says. “Her guidance is gentle and loving, yet challenging in all the right ways. She brings yogic teachings out of the books, and into real life in a way that makes it totally practical.” Though Sally offers many courses for beginning meditation students, she is also regarded as a ‘teacher’s teacher’, whose approach inspires long-time practitioners to free themselves from routine meditation practice, and move deeper.

Dr. Marc Gafni is a visionary thinker, social activist, passionate philosopher, and author of ten books, including the award-winning Your Unique Self: The Radical Path to Personal Enlightenment, the two-volume Radical Kabbalah, the recently-published Self in Integral Evolutionary Mysticism: Two Models and Why They Matter, and Tears: Reclaiming Ritual, Integral Religion, and Rosh Hashana. Marc Gafni holds his doctorate in philosophy from Oxford University. He teaches on the cutting- edge of philosophy in the West, helping to evolve a new “dharma,” or meta-theory of Integral meaning that is helping to re-shape key pivoting points in consciousness and culture. Together with Dr. Kristina Kincaid he authored the recently published book A Return to Eros that is the topic of this dialogue.

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Transcript

Marc Gafni:

Oh, my God, welcome, it is so good to be here with you Sally, Sally Kempton and Sianna, Sianna Sherman. Two goddesses incarnate, and teachers and transmitters and what an absolute delight to be with you. We’re here to talk about Return to Eros, which is so critically crucial  exciting, delighted, honored to be with you. Sally, I turn to you.

Sally Kempton:

Okay, so the first thing I think we need to establish is exactly what is Eros? Maybe Marc you could give us any definition of Eros that really goes to the heart of it, just so everyone will be on the same page in this conversation.

Marc Gafni:

Fantastic. Thank you, Sally. When we speak of Eros, we’re talking about something which is core to reality. Eros existed for at least 12 billion years before there was sexuality. We know that. Eros is the experience of radical aliveness, moving towards ever greater contact, and ever larger wholes. That sentence, which is birthed over 20 years is the nature of reality, the experience of radical aliveness, moving towards ever greater contact and ever larger wholes. That basic movement is the nature of reality itself. One could actually say, since God is reality and reality is God, God is Eros. Reality is Eros. God’s not only Eros, God’s Eros, right? That actually shifts everything.

Maybe one more sentence, Sally, and back to you. The quality of Eros, there’s a lot of words that describe it. You could use the word allurement. Reality is allurement all the way up and all the way down. You could use attraction. You could use desire. Reality is desire all the way up and all the way down. You could use relationship. You could use intimacy. You could talk about living in an intimate universe but these are all part of a cluster, which Eros is kind of an over-arching meta word. Reality is Eros and to return to our identity, right, to create a world we want to live in,  is actually return to Eros. Thank you, that’s a wonderful beginning.

Sally Kempton:

When you talk about that, I’m sort of trying to find a way to translate it into the terms of the yogic understanding that Sianna and I work within. I always equate Eros with Shakti but I would love to hear from Sianna how you connect what Marc was saying to the tantric idea of Shakti to the way that, in our tradition, we describe reality.

Sianna Sherman:

Thank you, Sally, and thank you Marc. For me, Eros, and I love what you both are bringing forth. Eros is the juiciness and the passion and the embodied soulfulness of every single person and every living thing. That yoga means to bring connection and the expansion of that connection. As the allurement of consciousness, all things, finding themselves in that magnetic pulse of inner joy, and from the inner joy, the creative expression just explodes infinitely into all its different forms of expression. In the way of Shakti, Shakti is the juicy, creative, animating, dynamic force and power of the entire universe and Shiva, the great beloved of holding that impeccable space, the container, the ground from which everything can be expressed. The integrity of that space that’s held so that the soulful, creative expression of the self comes bursting forth, unapologetic, uninhibited, unleashed and in the full power of love, and to really bring the magic of the universe into its expressive realities.

Sally Kempton:

So beautiful. That being the case, you guys, if Shakti, if this bursting forth of aliveness and delight and juiciness is natural and innate, how come we lose it and have to return to it?

Marc Gafni:

Yeah, yeah. It’s a beautiful inquiry. Let’s say one thing just about Eros and then turn to your inquiry, Sally, and turn to you Sianna. This movement, right, this description. This ecstatic urgency in cosmos, which both incepts cosmos, suffuses cosmos and animates cosmos, is not static. It’s moving. We’re so used to talking about the Shiva dimension, right, to use your language, the unchanging eternity, that we forget that divinity or reality is both being and becoming. This Shakti nature is evolutionary. It’s changing. It’s movement. When we say reality’s story, but it’s not an ordinary story, it’s a love story, it’s not an ordinary love story, it’s an erotic love story, what we mean is that the story of the reality is the evolution of love. The story of reality is the movement in us and as us towards a reality in which that [inaudible 00:12:12], that Sianna, you talked about, that unique configuration of Eros, each one with its own word that you love so much.

In your Rasa School, talk about so beautifully in Rasa, can actually emerge in the world. What blocks that? What blocks that is many things but there’s one major dimension that I’ll just point to for a second, which is shame. Shame blocks Eros. When I say shame, I’m not talking about guilt and a sense of accountability. I did something wrong. I’m a powerful being and accountable. Accountability and remorse are part of a healthy human ideology, of course. You did something wrong and you’re remorseful for it and accountable, I correct it.

Shame is something else. Shame is the experience, not that I did something wrong, I made a mistake, but that I am a mistake and I am wrong. I came from the factory broken and they don’t even make that part anymore. Shame, and if I can, with permission, use something from a different tradition, from my native tradition of Kabbalah, the name of God is Eros. Yud Hei Vav Hei four letters. The Yud enters the Hei, that’s called constant Eros. The Vav is the human being participating in diving Eros. TheVav enters the Hei. Shame stops the Vav from entering the Hei. Shame blocks the movement of Eros. It contracts the human being, so that I’m actually disconnected from my natural Eros and then I fall into contraction. Really, last sentence, Sally, to you and to Sianna, the reason this is so important is because all ethical failure is rooted in a prior failure of Eros. All ethical breakdown comes from a failure of Eros.

We can create as many rule books as we want. They’ll always fall apart until we actually get to an ethics that’s rooted in, is an expression of, our natural erotic nature, which has nothing to do with it may express the sexuality. That’s a different question, what the relationship of sex and Eros is. A person can be celibate and radically erotic as well. It’s not about its particular expression, right? Let’s bracket that question. It’s about living the erotic life. Let’s just begin to engage with that. It’s just a great inquiry.

Sally Kempton:

Wonderful. Then, Sianna, what is the erotic life in terms of, in the terms of a yogic life or the life full of Rasa.

Sianna Sherman:

In the Yogic embodiment and receiving ourselves fully as the gift of consciousness in this embodied form, and reveling in our lives and in our embodiment and in the whole of the earth as a temple, and revering and worshiping life in the temple way, for me is the embodiment of Eros. Communing with the spirit of life, communing in the spirit of the breath of all of nature, and most certainly in our relationships, in our practices. Oftentimes, when you say the word yoga in the modern day, people immediately think about posture, a yogic posture, so if we go there for just a moment and we say, what is a yogic posture, it’s the enthronement of the divine energies as each of us, as a body temple.

If I am breathing and moving in this embodied way of loving myself, of passionately loving the whole of myself, and in communion with the miracle of life of these trillions of cells in my being as I am in this embodied worship through Asana, this is Eros, and the way that I cook my food, and the way I tend to my child and the way I communicate my relationships and the way I am with nature and the way I wash the dishes, there’s nothing that, the Eros never needs to be exiled from any parts of our life. Eros is the very embodiment that is at the heart of all life. And so if yoga means connection, then Eros is that inherent, highly powerful and immeasurable power of the connective force that keeps all of life lit up and with its full essence.

Sally Kempton:

Gorgeous. One of the questions that comes up as you say that, and I think it’s part of the radical nature of Tantra and especially of the way in which we have been able to bring some of the principles of Tantra into the modern world and really apply them to the way we’re walking around. Yet, for so many centuries, sprit, the idea of spirituality and an in drawn yoga practice, etc., has somehow been divorced from that element of the body, of that element of aliveness. Even in traditional yoga, the body practices have been used in the service of turning inside and almost turning away from the world.

I think, my senses, part of what you’re talking about, and what Marc is talking about is this very radical moment of recognizing the erotic element, not only in life, but also in spirituality.

Sianna Sherman:

I love this. For me, and the extension of this, Eros, is spirit embodied as matter. It is heaven being danced upon this earth. It’s the lovemaking of the entire universe. Giving birth to, we are the love child of the universe. The love song of the universe is singing us alive and then we’re singing our song alive and creating more love song of the universe. The gift of Eros is that, it is the full transcendent embodiment in the here and now, upon this earth, exactly as we are in the temple, of our being in the temple of everything that exists.

Sally Kempton:

Beautiful, beautiful. Marc, how would you add?

Marc Gafni:

Beautiful, no beautiful, that’s completely beautiful and let’s feel into it, right? Infinity. If we basically understand reality is infinity and eternity and our job is to move beyond the finite, to transcend the effemoral, and to touch eternity, so then we have precisely half of spirit. Ignorance is a partial relationship to reality. If we actually want to have wholeness and we begin to get that actually, infinity desires finitude. We have to move from the shame of finitude, to the celebration of finitude.

That’s not a casual choice. Actually getting that piece is a love or die reality in our lives because reality [inaudible 00:19:53] action. If I’m not living in Eros, then pseudo Eros will always find it’s way, will always kind of grab the wheel. If I don’t actually understand Eros, and what we tried to do, Kristina and I, Kristina Kincaid, my wonderful co-author in the book, Return to Eros, who’s a rock star and fabulous, what we tried to do is chart the 12 faces of Eros. How do you actually live the erotic life and what does it mean to live in a cosmo erotic universe. We live in a cosmo erotic universe. We need to actually engender the cosmo erotic humanism, which is actually the beginning [inaudible 00:20:38] and new vision and new possibility and [inaudible 00:20:41] Sally, your work in awakening Shakti, right, sets up this really important set of sources  in the ancient wisdom for Eros.

Sianna, your work with urban Priestesses, and with Rasa Yoga, are so critical in transmitting the sense. Now, we need to create reality maps, which are, if you will, world spirituality reality maps, where we actual integrate with the ancient traditions of Eros, but together with chaos theory and complexity theory and evolutionary science and everything we know in the last 1500 years and weave them together in a new erotic synergy in which the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, which is precisely the movement of Eros where we actually articulate, essentially a new source code for living. Without that source code, we collapse. If we’ve seen anything in the last months, right?

In the very important movements about the masculine and the feminine, in culture, we’ve also seen enormous problemization. Masculine desire is problemitized, per se, feminine desire is complex, split off, disowned, right? Masculine acting out is called out and yet, seemingly overly demonized. We’re not sure what to do with ourselves because we’ve lost a narrative of Eros. When we loose the narrative of Eros, what we do is, we ask sexuality to fulfill all of our erotic needs, which it can never do. Sexuality models Eros, it doesn’t exhaust Eros. When we ask sexuality to fulfill all of our erotic needs, but sexuality collapses under a burden it can’t bear. The return to Eros is critical for our economics, for our politics, for our relationships, for the core infrastructures of our society, either we return to Eros, or we collapse. Actually, articulating together, that kind of map, it is the critical source code move that we need at this moment in culture.

Sianna Sherman:

Beautiful. I think we need ways to return to Eros that are accessible for people because the modern world is so fast and so in this accomplished mode of doing, doing, doing, that we get easily unplugged and unplugged from our own source energy, unplugged from the Eros of life. I had this experience just a few days ago because there was a piling up of very heavy kind of logistic things that ended up in my life. I felt myself sort of contracting in a big way and feeling, not feeling the scintillation of my being. In recognition of that, I simply went out to the earth and I chanted and sang and felt my body connected with the earth and the elements and then I sat there and I listened to the rhythm of life, to the rhythm of the wind in the trees, the rhythm of the birds, listening to my own heartbeat.

Very shortly, that gateway just helped me to cross the threshold into my temple remembrance of who I am. This modern world is rough on the soul, especially if we’re being pushed into accomplishment or trying to validate ourselves from an external means and not grounding ourself in our own self worth, or believing in ourselves from within. This is very beautiful, what you’re saying in that, this really is the inherent birthright of all beings and that from this place, all of life, including politics and the social stratospheres and everything else, will function with much greater beauty and honoring of the soul.

Marc Gafni:

Beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, Sianna. Beautiful. Sally, you have been in your incredibly graceful and elegant way, you’ve been facilitating, but of course you’re a rock star, insanely beautiful, great teacher and have much to say in all of these areas. It would be just great as we move towards if I can be a [inaudible 00:25:06] every so slightly, just to hear your sense of how Eros fits in, in kind of your world view of how you work with it, in terms of the Shakti and anything of the sort.

Sally Kempton:

I completely agree with Sianna that the core challenge facing us as we live out, as we really make up [inaudible 00:25:30] want to live our lives in touch with the sacred pulsation at the heart of our life, is how do we find that pulsation in the purest possible form. Of course, nature will replace it where the emergent and beautiful and harmonious expression of goodness making a world is easiest if we all. For me, meditation is one of the main methods.

What I think we actually need to offer is the fact that, for every human being, there are ways of engaging with life, which are anti-erotic, are, as you said, pseudo erotic and in ways [inaudible 00:26:29] with life that bring forth the Eros. Really, the methodology that I think we want to bring forth here is, what are the practices? What are the attitudes that will tend to make your life feel more Rasa filled, more connected, more authentic? Do you want to say something about that from your point-of-view, Marc?

Marc Gafni:

Just briefly though, and that’s fantastic. Just to offer something in this brief time, very briefly, Eros needs to be experienced, and Eros needs to be studied. We need to study our experience. We’ve kind of lost the sense, we’re such sound byted, right, in our nature, that we forget that we actually need to immerse. What we tried to do in Return to Eros is not write a pop book. When you read it, there are 12 faces of Eros, and there’s 12 ways in which the sexual models the erotic, each one is an entire world from [inaudible 00:27:38]. The way you can read the book is just read it two or three pages a night. Don’t try and read it through in one sitting. Let it actually walk you through the re-eroticizing of your life. When you re-eroticize your life, not as a slogan, but you actually walk it through, and you get distinctions because you get distinctions, because we need distinctions.

We need distinctions between what are the qualities of Eros and what’s pseudo Eros and are what are the faces of Eros? How do you identify the difference? How do you find your way out of the obstacles? We need to actually access this generating algorithm, this source code math because we all live in inescapable frameworks. In those frameworks, we’re in prison and the only way you can get out of prison, change your prism. You can’t change your prism with a phrase. It’s why your little retreats are so important, you immersive retreats. Not for a day. They’re immersions, right, in which you’re actually transforming something. The return to Eros reality map, and in some sense works together with those kind of retreats to actually generate this new source code, which again, is not just for each of us, or anyone listening, but it’s actually so we can participate in the evolution of love.

That’s what the movement of Eros is. The movement of Eros is reality making love to itself through us, as us and through us, in order to birth ever higher levels of goodness, truth and beauty. The choice is, either we evolve or we die. We’re precisely at that point. The act of actually reading Return to Eros, is a revolutionary act.

Sally Kempton:

Marc? That’s beautiful. I think that you’ve brought up the topic of the different faces of Eros and how sexuality models Eros but doesn’t exhaust it. Maybe you’d like to give us some of what you’re talking about.

Marc Gafni:

One example and back to Sianna, beloved Sianna, beloved Sally. Just one example. Here’s an easy one. Imagination. Imagine we’ve all led exercises where you’re doing a visualization. I remember once being in Eastern Europe, leading a visualization. There was like 300 or 400 people in the room and you just know that most of the room’s not with you. Visualizations are complex, they’re not easy to follow, but of course, because we all have that kind of inferiority complex about our spiritual capacity, no one wants to admit they’re not with you.

At some point I stopped and I said, okay, how many people are following? Everyone raises their hand. I said, Okay, how many people are lying. We kind of went through this whole thing, but we realized, oh, my God, it’s actually not easy to follow and imagine a visualization exercise. Then I said, okay, let’s say we did a sexual visualization, which we walked through a couple of steps of. How many people followed? Everybody perfectly. Why? Because the erotic is exiled into thesexual. The quality of imagination, the quality of fantasy, which is a quality of, in Kabbalah we call it a quality of Shekhina, we say in Aramaic. The Shekhina is Eros. She is imagination. Imagination is a quality of Eros, but we’ve exiled Eros into the sexual.

That is to say, we can only access that quality of fantasy and imagination, the sexual, so when we say the sexual models the erotic, we actually take that quality of imagining that lives in the sexual and we have [inaudible 00:31:13] for the rest of our lives. We begin to reimagine our lives, to reimagine our economics, to reimagine our relationships. All of a sudden I realize this original idea. The original Adam was Adam and Eve, it was one person, male, female. Adam means, not just earth, but … imagination. I’m not just homo sapiens, I’m homo imaginous. That’s the quality of Eros that lives in me. That’d be an example of a quality of Eros, imagination that’s been exiled into the sexual and the Tantric move to use your language, tan, to expand, is to expand the quality of imagination beyond the merely sexual into every dimension in our life. Something like that would be just an example I hope that helps.

Sianna Sherman:

To continue on the thread of how to live an erotic life in these beautiful 12 faces that are in your book, I think we can always turn to the gift of our body and to the five senses as gateways that are holy gateways of Eros. We have sound, and we have touch, and we have sight, and we have taste, and we have smell. Wherever we are in any given moment, if we tune in to the holiness of the senses, so that when we’re cooking we’re not just on automatic pilot throwing stuff together in a fast way to get the food on the table, but we are with the spices and with the texture and the feeling and then, as we live our life this way, and it’s also within our practices, as yogis and yoginis, when we’re chanting mantras, when we’re meditating, when we’re abiding in the inner presence, when we’re in the asanas, breathing, all of the mudras, which I love, that we are immersed through the gateway of all the sense at the same time.

Then, as this is cultivated in our field, no matter what we’re doing, and everything of where we are, then when it comes into that beautiful most intimate sexual intimacy, with a beloved, that we’re open through the gateway of our senses, and we come with full vulnerability and full contact into this intimacy. That intimacy is not held as only within sex, it’s intimacy with all of life in any given moment. We can turn to our body and simply come to any one of our senses or simultaneously, all at the same time, with a little cultivation and practice.

Sally Kempton:

That’s so great. As you were speaking, I was thinking about the clue that kind of the bread crumb trail that I discovered at a certain point. Actually, discovering what it felt like to be fully in a meditative state with my sensory experience. Like most westerners, I was pretty much out of touch with my body for much of my life. Actually, returning to the Eros of physical embodiment, I think for many of us is a very big deal. For me, the clue was in really treating into the pulsation that exists in every sensory act.

When you look out, looking at you guys, there’s the recognition of a kind of dancing pulsation that is happening between us, that the eyes are able to contact. Of course this is very true and very easy to see that on sound, which is a vibration pulsation, and in touch. To be able to tune into, how is reality pulsing in your experience of looking and your experience of tasting and your experience of fragrance. It’s almost an instantaneous way to tune into the underlying erotic nature of your sensory experience.

Which is, one of the tantric stages that I really love, says that all sensory contact is sexual in that, whenever our eyes or our ears contact an object, we are actually in an erotic interaction with a face or the sound and, in other words, we’re being allowed to experience our connection with the world around us through the senses. We realize now how deeply impressionable it is to feel that pulsation. Then, as you say, then our eating, our cooking, our conversation, our walking, our talking, can all be felt as an expression of that fundamental pulsation that is delightful.

Marc Gafni:

To really get that. I know we’re moving towards a close here and it will, Sally, maybe you and Sianna, as you wrap us up, but to really get that reality at its core is allurement. That, what actually moves reality is new configurations of intimacy. When you actually study evolutionary science carefully, which just happens to be one of my, not my expertise, my avocation, my field. When really looked [inaudible 00:36:59] realize that all break through in evolution come from new configurations of intimacy.

You might say, well, it’s not from a new configuration of intimacy, it’s from a protein molecule. What’s a protein molecule? A protein moleculare is a new configuration of intimacy. That’s actually what it is. When we really get that, and what am I? I am. Where are you? You are. What’s the answer to the question who are you? You’re an irreducibly unique configuration of intimacy, with irreducibly new gifts, and irreducibly new quality of intimacy that has the ability to sing a song. To write a poem, to be, to become, to gift, in a way that no one that ever was, is, or will be, can do other than you. When I’m living that life, when I’m actually giving that gift. When I’m giving the gift that’s emerging directly to my unique configuration of intimacy. I know that my life is there for completing the whole, then I’m living a life that’s alive, that’s purpose driven, that’s Eros driven, that’s the erotic life.

That’s what I know, Sianna, all of your work is about and Sally, all of your work or writing’s about. It’s what Return to Eros is about. I think Return to Eros, I hope and pray, together with Kristina, that it gives us an entire new set of distinctions on language, that takes the set of ideas, evolves them into a new whole, merge together the sciences and the ancient traditions and it offers an evolving source code to reality at a time when actually a new framework, a new universe story, a new sexual narrative, a new narrative of identity and a narrative of power, is that which is most necessary for the survival of the world today. I’m just so appreciative of Sally, of this time, Sianna, of this time  of your work and this gorgeous moment of Eros together. Of course, we’ll have the link to the book so everyone can go read it and ask questions and talk about it. Let’s begin and deepen together this . Oh, my God, yes. Yes.

Sally Kempton:

That’s beautiful.

Marc Gafni:

You are beautiful.

Sally Kempton:

I think we can all look forward to seeing how you redefine intimacy in this book. It sounds like there’s a very deep set of ideas behind what you just said about how we are examples of intimacy. I guess we can read about it in Return to Eros, which is full of really quite amazing ideas, I have to say, from my own experience of reading it. Marc and Kristina are touching territories that are extremely exciting to start to explore.

One of the things I always feel about your work, Marc, is that when you say something, we sort of realize, oh yeah, I kind of knew that, but I never really thought about it until you said it. I think that the book has a lot of insight in that, that we can recognize once we read it, that’s really quite ground breaking, but also very deeply true.

Marc Gafni:

Thank you, Sally. That’s lovely of you and gracious of you. Totally appreciate it. Thank you, thank you.

Sianna Sherman:

Marc and Kristina, too. I want to thank you. We had the great opportunity to be together in Portland during one my teacher trainings for Rasa Yoga. Marc lit up the whole room with your highly awesome presence to just captivate the imagination and to take us on a journey through your words and through the way that you feel what you are saying. Your words are the living evolutionary Shakti pouring through you. Kristina, you turned it to Kristina, she took the spirit of the teachings and of the Eros in deeply into our body and so that every single one of us was having an embodied experience in this journey. The two of you are highly synergistic, and I want to thank you for your alchemical work on the planet as the sacred masculine and as the sacred feminine in your forums is man and woman, but also for the inner marriage within each of you that is the highest service for the planetary consciousness.

I’m very happy to share Return to Eros with the women that I work with through Urban Priestess and with the Yogis and Yoginis, through Rasa Yoga. For the Yogis that this is the time of reclaiming the heart of Yoga, that let’s release an old paradigm of trying to subjugate ourselves or separate ourselves from our embodied experience in order to accomplish something outside of us, some form of liberation, but a full embodied liberation is at hand, and in a collective power is at hand in the Yoga world.

For the women that I worked with, so many of them have undergone incredible inward journeys with eroticism and with what the erotic is and with what has happened in their lives, in the body as a woman and the traumas that they have been carrying and now are willing to transform and to heal and to bring the fullness of their soul force and their juiciness and their creativity back into the world. I feel that this work also helps so much to heal from these places of a distorted eroticism that has caused a lot of harm for a long time and reclaiming, in this evolutionary way, the heart of Eros, the heart of Tantra, and the heart of embodiment as sacred feminine and as sacred masculine, so thank you.

Marc Gafni:

Thank you.

Sally Kempton:

Thank you. That was so beautiful. What a beautiful way in describing what it is that we all long for and all work for and that is so beautiful explained. Thank you all.

Marc Gafni:

Thank you all.

Sianna Sherman:

Thank you. Sally, I just have to say, whoever is watching this. For me, Sally is the Tantric ninja. I always feel, all the times I’ve sat with you and have been in any type of interaction with you, you’re like the ninja that’s moving through the innermost worlds of Tantra and you find this way to make it accessible and applicable and your gateway energy from the most esoteric to the street language of the modern day, for the yoga world, I truly praise you and thank you for your great work on the planet. Thank you both. You’re high luminaries and visionaries and both of you I respect so much. I’m thrilled to be in this sacred conversation with you. Thank you.

Sally Kempton:

And us with you. Again, I want to say, I’m always blown away whenever I’m with you and feel the inspiration of what moves through you and as you. I think we’re all really very appreciative of this satsang.

Marc Gafni:

What a delight. What an honor. What a deep, deep honor. Thank you so much Sally. Thank you so much Sianna and so much love. Until next time, which will be sooner than soon.

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