Watch this fifth in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni:

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome everyone. We are here in week five.

So what we’re going to do is last week the topic of last week was evolutionary love which is really a key component in getting the fact that the Universe is a love story which is driving the process is evolutionary love. Sometimes it’s called the fifth force of the Universe beyond the electromagnetic, the gravitational, the strong, and the weak. The fifth force of the Universe, the fifth force which explains why the Universe didn’t stop at hydrogen. Why didn’t it stop at basal elements? Why didn’t it stop at planets? Why didn’t it stop at amoebas? Why didn’t it stop at early plants? What’s driving the process forward?

Alfred North Whitehead one of our favorite philosophers of Barbara and I describes reality and he says one of the key properties of reality is what he calls the creative advance of novelty meaning love is driving the process forward. Evolutionary love is driving the process forward and evolutionary love is creating love is creative, it’s creating more and more love. So it means it creates more and more complex organisms which means there’s much more interconnectivity.

A human being has fifty-trillion cells gorgeously loving each other; each knowing what to do living in this big huge love community. That’s what a human being is. So that is a very high level of love which doesn’t exist in an amoeba. What drives the process from an amoeba to a human being? Love. Right? Love drives the process. What’s driving the process? Evolutionary love. That’s what we talked about last week.

Now we’ve gotten like three or four really important questions. And Barbara, I’m going to put the first one to you from people who have been listening and basically what people are saying is we are loving this and so we’re totally appreciating the huge amount of response, so thank you, thank you, thank you. And we’re delighted by that and we interact with that and it just you know makes us more alive and more in love. And we want to really respond to some of the questions.

So here’s question one, Barbara that you and I looked at when it came in which is Barbara you said that the Universe being a love story means that evolution itself has values. So what of that to love, what are those values? Explain a little more.

Barbara: Well if the Universe goes from the quarks to the electrons to the protons to the amoebas all the way on up to you and me sitting here which is took 13.8 billion years to produce this event of us sitting here. The value that I would hold is the value of consciousness, of freedom, of the ability to love and even deeper than that the ability to create. If this whole process of evolution could be called a creative endeavor of the highest genius and I feel myself in my own little impulse to create…

Marc: Not so little, but ok.

Barbara: To actually be drawing from the creative intention of the Universe for billions of years going to higher order, I begin to feel that my intention which might seem totally insignificant as a little person in the billions of humans, no. I’m feeling because it’s drawing from that impulse in evolution itself. My intention, your intention, everybody’s intention is drawing from the creative intention of the Universe, particularly if it’s going toward higher consciousness, greater freedom, more complex order.

Now if it’s going towards control, domination, and destruction, it’s actually there’s a lot of destruction in the Universe and I’d like to bring that up to make this distinction. Billions of species are extinct before we got here. The Universe as a love story is not kind in the sense that it’s extremely selective as to what’s capable of evolving to a higher consciousness and freedom. And what is so fascinating to me is that right now as we’re discovering the trajectory of love, we’re also discovering we could destroy ourselves as a species along with many other species we’re already destroying.

So the quality of love actually is a quality for survival because if we don’t learn this now, if we don’t learn that the direction of evolution is to greater consciousness, freedom, and order we could be one of those species that’s becoming extinct. The only difference is we know it.

Marc: Ok so this is all so important so let’s go step at a time. So we can kind of swallow this step at a time, ok? So let’s unpack here together, ok?

So the first thing that we’re saying and that you said so beautifully, Barbara, is before we get to the extinction which is a whole other conversation, so let’s just start with the beginning. So the beginning is the question that came in was what did you mean when you said that evolution has values that are awakening in us?

So what that means you explained now so beautifully and Barbara and I are completely aligned in this. So it doesn’t matter who’s talking. We’re in the same conversation.

What that means is that the value of consciousness, becoming aware, the intention. I have intention. I want to do something with my life. The value of creativity, the value of being more loving, the value of being nurturing. All those value of having more good, more truth, more beauty. All the values that we hold are not just the values of Marc, little small-self Marc or the ballads of small self Barbara as separate selves disconnected from everything but those values are inherent in reality itself. Reality is not neutral.

Barbara: That’s a key point.

Marc:  Right? Reality is not neutral, so reality is creative. That’s the first fact. The first fact we know about reality is it’s creative. It’s not static eternal. Reality is always creating newness and that newness always has more love in it. It’s more interconnected internally, it’s more capable of loving and caring for externally. An amoeba to a dog. I keep coming back to that example just because it’s an easy way to get it to make it concrete.

So the values of reality, the move towards more caring, more love, more concern, more embrace, more interconnectivity, more union are built into the structure of reality itself. Reality’s driven by the fifth force of reality, evolutionary love. And here’s the key point you make Barbara which is like the key point of ten key points.

The first key point you make is that those values then awaken in us. [0:08:00]

So a quark, right? A quark has some and basically in thought today a quark has some now here’s a really fancy word don’t get caught on it, prehension. Meaning a quark has some sense of an interior but tis’ barely glimmering. A quark is mostly automatic, mostly unconscious, mostly instinctive. That’s just it’s moving. There’s what we call blind forces.

Now there’s an overall intelligence within the process but a rock you don’t give someone a devastating punishment for breaking a rock. Because a rock doesn’t have that level of interior depth to be murdered. You can murder a human being. You can’t murder a rock. Why? Because a human being has more interiority. It has more inside depth. It as it has more feeling. It has more consciousness than a rock. So that’s what we mean by there’s more conscious, meaning there’s more interiority.

So when quarks come together and atoms come together, it’s unconscious to a large extent; virtually almost totally unconscious. So the value of Eros, of love, of coming together the allurement, the attraction that draws the physical properties together and ultimately that awakens as a cell and then draws cells together to create higher and higher forms of life is there’s a larger and intelligence moving it, but within every specific expression along the way, along the evolutionary chain, mitosis, myosis, cells splitting, plants evolving but it’s all happening according to the interior structure.

A plant doesn’t say let me evolve today. It’s an interior let’s use this as just a general word now. Instinctive. I mean it’s not individual, it’s this overall larger intelligence running the whole process. But those values of coming together of mutuality, of recognition, of union, of love and of embrace, those come awake in Barbara and Marc in which we chose to love.

Barbara: Well we’re able to stand outside it just enough to see it.

Marc:  Just enough to see it.

Barbara: And when we see it we be it if I may say so.

Marc: Right. We choose to be it.

Barbara: We choose to be it and we’re instinctively I would say in our better nature. Our better nature instinctively goes towards empathy. It goes towards love, it goes towards caring. Even though we behave terribly there is a very deep instinctive behavior as the newborn baby in the mother’s arms.

Marc: But we choose. We have the choice, yes. Tell me if my and is right to make sure we’re saying the same thing. And we get to choose that instinct.

Barbara: We get to choose the instinct and we feel that the process is on the side of that choice. And it’s not a choice against the nature of reality which is the…

Marc: This is a big deal, right?

Barbara: It’s a choice on behalf of the nature of reality.

Marc: We’re aligning with reality.

Barbara: It’s toward greater love. Now that makes a huge difference.

Marc: Everyone getting this? This is key.

Barbara:  How I feel about my choices because if somebody says to me the nature of reality is thoughtless and destructive and everything goes extinct, then my choice is feel irrelevant or impossible. But if I know choices are in the direction it seems to have been for billions of years towards greater intelligence, greater connectivity, greater love, I am so empowered in what I would consider to be the deep values of my own nature.

Marc: This is ok now we’ve hit it. Does everyone get this now? This is where I think the person had said in the question that… That’s a great question and I think now you’re beginning to get what we mean here, right?

If the world’s a world which is a we call it a red tooth and claw world which is a phrase for a world which is brutally competitive, which is about competing with other people to make sure you survive and they don’t because only one person is going to survive. It’s a world which doesn’t have love at its essence. It’s a world which is just about survival and it’s a zero sum game. I survive, you don’t.

If a world is ruthless, if it’s a dog eat dog world as it’s described, then a choice for love is heroic, but almost meaningless. But if we really get that evolutionary love is driving the whole story, that the world is moving towards more and more recognition, more and more creativity, more and more union, more and more embrace, more and more care. And that begins with quarks coming together single boundary falling around them and they create an atom and atoms come together and they create operation between them and they form a molecules and molecules cooperate and they form a complex molecule in this process of attraction allurement love cooperation is driving the entire process.

And when Barbara and I come together and we say let’s put aside competition, let’s cooperate and collaborate to create this new offering of love, we’re not doing something which is weird or whacked out or even righteous. We’re just aligning with the essential nature of the Cosmos.

Barbara: And it’s interesting that all the great spiritual traditions told us that love one another. But you might say that’s a basic receptive, all of them. But it’s been very hard for us to do it en masse. But I think that by realizing that the Universe is a love story and that if we do not love we probably will not survive now because we’re so powerful that the timing for understanding that the Universe is a love story is now.

Marc: Yea, that’s beautiful.

Barbara: You know this is not just a fanciful idea. It’s probably the most essential idea right now in human history; this idea.

Marc:  Yea, I mean right here right now. And let’s maybe conclude Barbara what you just said about the great traditions telling us to love each other and this will be an example of what we mean by really understanding for a minute and evolutionary reading of sacred texts.

So here’s a text that V’ahavta l’re’akha kamokha loved your neighbor as herself and then in the third century it says [Inaudible, 0:14:46]. This is a great principle of Torah which means the light. This is a great the Torah means for the light. So what does that mean?

So we used to think that there’s this commandment from a commanding God that says be a good person, love your neighbor, otherwise you’ll be punished. Well, I get that. You try and do your best because who wants to get punished by a commanding God. Maybe it feels a little better.

But the worst thing is that that text, that sacred text has a much deeper meaning, has an evolutionary meaning when it says this is the greatest principle of the light what the text means is that the essential nature of reality itself is love. Is that when I love my neighbor I’m actually aligned with the [Inaudible, 0:15:36] the essential principle. That’s what the word [Inaudible, 0:15:39] means in Hebrew, the essential principle of reality.

So we used to think this means this is the number one obedient rule you have to follow. Now it means this is the essential principle which guides all of reality from quarks all the way up to human beings. And evolutionary reading of sacred text.

Barbara: This is a beautiful way to say it and I often have thought [0:16:00] from the point of view of the source of creation or intelligence that it’s not so easy to create a Universe.

Marc: Good point.

Barbara: I mean if I were a Universal intelligence wanting to create a Universe from no thing at all and I had three seconds to get started…

Marc: If you were God, if you were the Universal intelligence…

Barbara:  And I have to think of the quarks and this and this and this for billions and billions of years selecting various species out until I finally get to a species called humans who wake up to me, that is to say the divine intelligence of the Universe, to say yes I get it. Not only do you have to be an extraordinary human being like Buddha or Jesus to get this. I’m an ordinary human being saying thank you God. And I know it was a big effort to get to the creative humans who get this. So I’m just taking God’s point of view for a moment.

Marc: Absolutely I think that’s thank God. That’s wonder to actually begin to experience the dazzling wonder of this is beyond imagination.

I want to make a promise. Barbara you talked about, in the first answer you talked about the process of evolution which also has great creation and destruction in which millions, perhaps billions of species (I have to check my numbers) go extinct and that we could go extinct as well but we need to look at that in terms of a love story.

How do we call the Universe a love story when there’s both creation and destruction happening all the way up and all the way down and would dedicate a special series of podcasts within this series on that. Really two questions:

What about all the creation and destruction? Isn’t love always constructive? Question one.

Two, what about evil and suffering?

So there’s the intrinsic creation and destruction in the world process and then there’s you know things that seem to be evil and suffering that’s human made. But if the world’s a love story, then we’ve got to address both of those. We can’t have a Pollyannaish claim. Pollyannaish means the kind of I don’t know what it means, like a kind of new age, saccharine, sweet, oh it’s a love story.

We’ve got to look really carefully so we will in some of the podcasts talk about the creation and destruction; the mystery and the mystery of suffering because that’s all part of the love story.

Wow. Do you love me?

Barbara: Of course I do.

Marc: Oh my God. I love you. I love you. The Universe: A Love Story. This was podcast five, week six coming at you next week my friends. Have an awesome and loving week.

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Barbara: The most amazing thing that we have discovered through Cosmogenesis is the Universe has direction.

Marc: It has direction. It’s going someplace.

Barbara: It’s going somewhere and it’s going somewhere that we want to go if we want greater love, greater freedom, greater connectivity. It seems to have a value system deep inside the design of evolution. To me, that was the greatest revelation in a world which looked meaningless or looked like we’re just going for more power and more control to a world that was calling us for a greater love, greater connectivity, greater consciousness, and I would say greater life purpose.

Marc: So let’s look at this, ok? So Barbara throws out a big sentence that we both completely share. There seems to be a value system inside of the structure of evolution, one.

Two, we talked about last week, the week before that we’re central, we’re personally implicated in the evolutionary story.

Watch this fourth in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni:

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome. We are here in week four of The Universe: A Love Story with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni, the man with only two names. So it’s exciting.

The first three weeks we’ve just kind of laid down the beginning of the framework. Now we want to apologize to you. It’s slightly sincere, slightly insincere. It’s kind of a mixture of both, but what we mean is in the first three weeks we took a lot of things for granted. We talked about existentialism but we didn’t really talk about what is existentialism. The Renaissance you know, schools of art and we just had a little bit of a conversation which we think you were able to track all of but we’ve gotten some comments from you which asked us to really explain everything. So if we say existentialism, we’ll stop and say by existentialism, we mean… Ok? We’ve gotten a bunch of these comments saying wow we’re really loving the podcasts but we don’t want to miss anything so please unpack everything. So we promise to do that. Thank you for those comments. Those were super helpful. Good Marc? Good Barbara? We’ve got a deal.

Ok. So week four and now it takes off. Our topic in podcast four is Evolutionary Love. We’re going to start explaining more deeply what we mean when we say the Universe is not a fact, but a story; it’s a love story.

So what drives evolution? We know that in science there are four forces:

• The electromagnetic,
• gravity, and
• the strong and
• the weak.

But again if those mean a lot to you then fantastic. If they don’t, fine. Those are the four forces of the physical Universe. But what we’re really understanding very clearly now both in interior sciences and in exterior sciences; meaning both in a classical, what we classically call science and based our own interior understanding on how things work is that something’s got to be driving the whole thing.

Barbara: The most amazing thing that we have discovered through Cosmogenesis is the Universe has direction.

Marc: It has direction. It’s going someplace.

Barbara: It’s going somewhere and it’s going somewhere that we want to go if we want greater love, greater freedom, greater connectivity. It seems to have a value system deep inside the design of evolution. To me, that was the greatest revelation in a world which looked meaningless or looked like we’re just going for more power and more control to a world that was calling us for a greater love, greater connectivity, greater consciousness, and I would say greater life purpose.

Marc: So let’s look at this, ok? So Barbara throws out a big sentence that we both completely share. There seems to be a value system inside of the structure of evolution, one.

Two, we talked about last week, the week before that we’re central, we’re personally implicated in the evolutionary story.

So we’re personally implicated in articulating and fulfilling the values of evolution. Now let’s just get this really clear. That idea barely existed in the consciousness of the world very, very recently. The assumption about evolution was it a blind force. The human being evolves willy nilly against the we kind of evolves when it’s better than willy nilly which who knows what they mean by that. The human being evolves to a kind of random set of accidents right? There’s a random set of accidents that spawn forth a human being. There’s a blind force of evolution. The world is a scientific machine. It’s a clockwork Universe. There are no real interiors to speak of. Values are merely subjective and the human being is decentered but the world itself is emptied of meaning.

The world is appraised by a writer named Lewis Mumford. The world is disqualified meaning quality, interiors, values, love, loyalty, none of those are actually real. What’s real is that the Universe is a machine. Now that’s a big deal. We’re now realizing that narrative wasn’t true. We’re now realizing that based on the best information that we have, the Universe is driven by evolutionary love. Now you went Barbara to the end of the story. You went to evolution has values which is hugely true. I want to, with your permission, let’s go back to the beginning of the story and see how we get there.

So I’m a quark. A quark is a subatomic particle. Barbara’s way ahead of me. I’m just a quark hanging out in Manhattan doing my thing in Idaho. I’m a quark in Bombay, right? You know? And I’m just doing my thing. And then, I’m attracted to another quark. I feel like whoa! That other quark is kinda hot. Can we hang out? And over a large periods of evolutionary time, there’s an attraction.

There’s Thomas Berry’s term… Thomas Berry was a great evolutionary philosopher. There’s an allurement between subatomic particles. They’re attracted to each other. There’s a force in the Universe of Eros, of attraction. Love by any other name because one of the properties of love is that love brings people together. Barbara and I love each other so let’s do this project together. We’re brought together. It’s happening right now. So love is this force of attraction which allures quarks to become atoms, quarks (let’s try to get those words straight) quarks to become atoms, atoms to become molecules, molecules to become complex molecules, complex molecules to become organisms, organisms to become organelles, organelles right?

It’s the entire movement of evolution is driven by a force which we might call Eros or love. There’s other names we’ll give to it a little later. Science calls it self-organization or the driving towards emergence, which is the emergence of more and more complex meaning as Barbara said in week one, more and more interconnected organisms that have more and more love internally, more and more cells internally, more and more pieces connecting internally, and have the ability different beings, different organisms to love each other more.

So dogs can love each other more and dogs are interiorly more complex than they are in size. Dogs can love each other more than amoebas love each other. They can consciously choose to take care of each other more than amoebas can. They’re loving each other and in the interior of the dog there’s more love, there’s more inner-connectivity, there’s more Eros, there’s more attraction.

So this process of love starts at the very beginning. It doesn’t start people say love starts when sex begins. No. Love is built in to the very fabric of reality and it is the driving force that it moves the whole story and at the end we’ll come to values. It’s going to wake up as values. It’s going to wake up. But what about the beginning of the story?

Barbara: Well I was just going to say even before the quarks…

Marc: Even before the quarks, yes. Yes.

Barbara: The thing that is the most amazing to me is those first three seconds…

Marc: After the big bang.

Barbara: After the big bang that they say that if the energy had been faster, we would have never have cohered into matter or if it had been slower in the first three seconds, we would have been stuck with [0:08:00] no growth at all. So however it happened, those first three seconds you might say were the source code of the Universe in the first three seconds would create more life, create more consciousness and the quarks appeared.

Marc: It’s just that sentence, Love. Ok beloved? Just that sentence even before quarks.

Let’s stay before quarks, ok? So it’s the first three seconds Barbara is saying, all the laws of physics and math right? All the laws of everything are established. A level of dazzling complexity. Did you ever get through calculous? It’s not that easy. All of that is established… All the laws of physics, all the laws of mathematics, all the laws of reality are established in the first three seconds which is then going to guide the track of evolution.

Now I’m going to go one more. Ready? Before the first three seconds, in what’s called one to the negative forty-three which is a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth, right? By a millionth of a second. I wasn’t counting my millionths so don’t hold me to that. But it’s actually the very, very beginning of the beginning of the beginning of the beginning the laws of physics don’t apply.

There are no laws of physics there. It’s pure nothing. There’s no thing. There’s no laws of physics and out of that pure potentiality then laws of physics start. So in that one to the negative forty-three which we now in science can identify it in a way which we couldn’t identify it fifty years ago. We now know about that moment which is no laws of physics. It’s actually from the mystical perspective when we go inside of that reality, its pure love breathing everything into existence.

Barbara: Pure consciousness.

Marc: Pure consciousness. And it’s ultimately the source of all mystery and then the three seconds, the first three second which all the laws are established and then the laws begin to evolve towards higher and higher levels of connectivity, Eros, love, wow.

Barbara: So this is why you can really say love was at even before the beginning. Because to put before the big bang, no physics, no laws. To put those laws in place that actually allowed the allurement and attraction of the quarks and the protons and the electrons all the way up means for me intelligent and you know we were talking about the way people have looked at this process. One way has been the creator God as you said does it from the outside and we’re the result of that creator God intelligence.

Marc: Who’s a big human being who hates homosexuals, who loves only one nation…?

Barbara: And doesn’t like women very much.

Marc: Doesn’t like women very much. And it’s the negative view of the creator God.

Barbara: The creator God and we’re more or less disempowered unless we follow the laws of the creator God. That was on one side. On the other…

Marc: And the creator God wants to make sure that you don’t do anything wrong when you’re naked.

Barbara: On the other side of the equation is it’s a meaningless Universe. There’s no creator, there’s no design, it’s an accident.

Marc: It’s an accident.

Barbara: Now to call this design in the first three seconds an accident…

Marc: Is about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

Barbara: I don’t know how you can logically from a scientific perspective, call that an accident and I do know that one of the ways they’ve tried to do it is by saying there must be billions of Universes and by accident one was perfectly designed for energy matter and life. Whatever the truth of that is, it seems completely illogical to me to say that perfect design was an accident.

Marc: And this is important because let’s be really clear here.

Science does not say as a fact that the Universe is an accident.

Accident is about interiors, about what’s driving it. Science can only describe and that only is huge and beautiful and wonderful and science is the best articulation we have of the laws of nature for sure. But to say, to talk about what the nature, the interior nature of those laws are, where that design came from, to assert that as an accident has nothing to do with science. That’s not scientific. There’s this assumption out there oh science says reality’s an accident. Science has nothing to say about it. Science is describing exteriors.

Now let’s get this right. I really want you to understand this because there are dozens and dozens of scientists who are leading physicists, leading quantum physicists, leading molecular biologists that I’ve talked to over the last thirty years and not one of them in a private conversation would say that the Universe is an accident. Actually that’s considered to be paten the absurd.

Sometimes there’s dogmas of science where science isn’t being scientific, it’s being dogmatic. It’s claiming things on faith because it needs to for a lot of reasons which we’ll talk about later. Just like religion used to claim a lot of things on faith. So I want you to really get how absurd it is.

Imagine if and here’s an example. Ok? So right before we got started filming, I got Barbara these flowers. Do you like the flowers?

Barbara: Yea, I like the flowers a lot.

Marc: Everyone like them? Ok. So imagine that I had brought Barbara as a gift a reality that has a design that had in it all of the laws of mathematics and all of the laws of physics and I give it to her as a gift and she says wow that was an accident. Imagine I worked in my garage and I made the most beautiful, elegant, stunning painting that you could possibly imagine and she looks and says oh well that was an accident. Nice. It’s absurd. And that stunning painting that I designed or that stunning creation I designed in my garage for seven weeks and I give it to her it’s because I love her. And it’s I’m creating this design, this elegance, this beauty out of the sense of wanting to gift, of wanting to love.

And so mystics meaning people who enter into using scientific experimental methods (we’ll talk about that in a different week) entered into the interior face of the Cosmos, mystics have been able to realize that what’s driving the big bang is love itself; that love begins the whole process. But you don’t need to be a mystic to figure it out. Just get really simple and basic. Reality gives us this gift of dazzling elegance and beauty beyond imagination. Dazzling what was your word, Barbara? Design.

Barbara: Design, yes. Design going somewhere valuable to me.

Marc: Going somewhere valuable to me, not designed by a homophobic creator God who says only this people is chosen. Not that kind of design, but the inherent intelligence of reality itself that is dazzling beyond any imagination.

Just study molecular biology for a few minutes and you’re going to be blowing out of your mind. Oh that was all an accident. Really? So that’s not a claim made by science, right? Science doesn’t talk about accident, right? Science can’t make a claim in that realm. And religion can’t tell us there was a homophobic, angry God who did it. [0:16:00]

What we’re realizing it there’s an interior design in the Cosmos which moves towards more and more connectivity, more and more mutuality, more and more recognition of each other, more and more embrace. That’s love by any other name. Does that make sense Barbara?

Barbara: It’s such a good design when you come to hear it this way. I just like to express my appreciation for the Universe having this design. There’s a sense of thankfulness on my part to even be part of this now having the wisdom intelligence with the scientific background and the mystical traditions to see myself, a living example of the 13.8 billion years that it took to create a being able to know the Universe is a love story. The Universe must be pleased if I can say so that species are intelligent enough to discover what it’s been up to all along.

Marc: Wow.

Barbara: I know I’m jumping ahead of the story.

Marc: No, no. You’re awesome. You’re awesome. So let’s just track this forum that we’re going to close here. We’re going to pick up next week.

So the Universe is driven by evolutionary love which is the force of allurement and attraction that moves to more and more complexity, more and more inner-connectivity, more and more interiority, more and more depth of consciousness.

A dog has more depth than an amoeba. A human being has more depth than a crocodile, right? More and more depth, more and more capacity to love, more and more capacity to be aware.

That’s the movement of evolution.

And then Barbara, let’s go back to you and I really want to ask you to end for us with how you started because that thrust of movement towards love awakens as you began with human beings becoming aware of these values consciously and being able to act on them consciously. So love, awareness, nurturing, caring, recognition, union and embrace, all these values become conscious as values that we hold as the Universe awakens to itself. So maybe describe that to us?

Barbara: Well, for me the feeling that my own impulse toward greater love, toward greater creativity and goodness is the Universe in me expressing that.

So it makes a huge difference for me being a separate person who wants to be loving to being a person in whom the force of creation is expressing itself as love because the empowerment that I feel when I feel my desire for greater love is the Universal process within me.

I become so thankful and it’s in an old fashioned way where you would say thank you God for the process. In a newer way you might say thank you process of creation. Thank you Universal impulse of design. See? We don’t have a good word for God in this metaphor.

Marc: Right and universal impulse of design or intelligent Cosmos is what we mean in the evolved sense when we talk about God. The God you don’t believe in doesn’t exist. You got that? The old mythological God, you can let it go.

The universal impulse of design you’ve got to be careful because the word God’s not in there. That’s not just an automatic dead, inert, mechanistic universe. That’s the most throbbing, living, radically wise, alive, infinitely powerful force that we can even vaguely begin to imagine exponentially way beyond what our imagination can even begin to touch. That’s what we’re talking about. Universal force of design just blows your mind out. So that’s driven by, that’s love. That’s love driving the process.

So let’s hold here. I know we didn’t explain it all. We’re just kind of beginning to put it on the table. Do you have a last word for us, Barbara?

Barbara: I think it’s a long word.

Marc: It’s a long word…. next week? Next week.

Barbara: Yes, I think so.

Marc: Next week it is.

Barbara: Yes.

Marc: Ok. I love you.

Barbara: Yes.

Marc: Ok. Here we go. Next week.

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From the video:

The future can be filled with innovation, creativity, human dignity of an unimaginable proportion or we can actually implode and self-destruct.

The difference will be: Will we actually evolve our consciousness? Will we evolve love? Will we actually begin to realize that the Universe is a love story, that we’re personally implicated in this love story; in this evolutionary love story? When we wake up as conscious agents of that evolution, we begin to come together, we can actually transform the whole story.

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Transcript:

Marc: Welcome to podcast three of The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts with Marc Gafni, Barbara Marx Hubbard. And I apologize that I’m the only person with two names and not three.

Ok. Here we go. So I think what we decided to do for this week is we’re in week three, is just to kind of catch everyone up. We’re going to do what they call in music a recapitulation. This to recapitulate and Barbara, maybe I’ll just mention a point of recapitulation and then maybe you’ll comment on it or talk about it just very briefly and this podcast it’s going to be fifteen minutes. We’re going to try from this week on to keep our podcasts to about fifteen minutes. We’re just going to try to recapitulate where we are so we really see clearly and then next week we can take off the next step.

So we want to evolve the source code we said last week. And by source code we mean evolving the narrative; evolving the story that we’re living in, evolving the framework that we’re living in, and what we’re saying is and this is big, is that everyone lives in invisible frameworks. And if you want to start to have power over your life, don’t just do a particular methodology or particular practice.

To really give power, to really change your game, just actually relocate yourself in a bigger narrative and a better narrative with better information, you’ve got to change your map. If you’ve got an outdated map, you’re never going to find your way. So what we have to do is we actually have to do a redraw the map of reality based on the best spiritual, scientific, psychological, anthropological, the best information available today from all places. That’s what we’re doing.

Barbara: And the important thing there is according to the source code, you behaved, you acted your life as directed and most of us don’t know we have a source code. It’s invisible. It’s like a fish swimming in water. So by noticing your source code, like if you think you’re out of control and the world is coming to an end, you’re going to behave differently than if you think you’re evolving into a world that has infinite possibilities. It’s hugely different what source code so I think what we’re doing here is making us aware of the source code that we may have and what’s the best possible source code that gives us the most accurate loving truthful story to empower all of us.

Marc: Right, right. It’s like what we’re doing is I mean we’re laying down, we’re articulating the texts of the evolutionary Bible. Or if you want to use a more Eastern term, the evolutionary Sutras. A Sutra is like a verse. It’s the great evolutionary Ramayana. Ramayana. Sorry, let’s start with the end there. The great evolutionary Ramayana. It’s the great evolutionary Mahamudra. So I’m borrowing terms from the East. It’s the evolutionary aboriginal story. The point is that we’re re-narrating the sacred text which talks about the origin of reality, its purpose, its direction. Because remember that the sacred texts that we have available to us today were written by people who on the one hand were wildly open and awake and had deep, direct connections to spirit.

On the other hand, they didn’t know, none of them, some of the basic truths about reality. Not only scientific, but moral that we know today. The basic idea that a woman is fully equal to a man, the idea of democracy, the idea that no-one’s expendable. All of these ideas were fundamentally unavailable. The idea that universal human rights… none of these existed to the people who created the great traditions. So they had deep knowledge of certain key dimensions of spirit which were critical and beautiful and totaled this enormous amount about the good, the true, and the beautiful. And their other ways was actually the bad and the ugly and the barbaric. And so we need to re-narrate a new sacred text.

Barbara: Well I remember when the story I was told when I graduated from college in 1951 Bryn Mawr College was get married, have as many babies as possible, take care of your husband, take care of your house, and the men are to go out and win; win wars, make  money. The entire materialistic culture was what I was given as the best it could be. And one professor said you know what? I think most of our problems have been solved. This is 1951. So we didn’t have a clue of what was coming.

I do want to say one thing to you. Not to judge the human race too harshly… because sometimes I think what it was like fifty thousand years ago when we just got self-reflective consciousness. We had no teeth, no fangs, no fur, no clothes. We made it through up to the point of the power of destroying the world or evolving the world by the source code that we have. So I just wanted to say the enormous importance of shifting the source code when we have the power to destroy or create at this scale.

Marc: Yea, absolutely. See get what we mean by the source code. Source code means  that the invisible framework in which we live and we’re going to now evolve that source code based on all the information we have. When I say all the information, I want to be really clear: scientific information, psychological information, but also interior information. The voices of essence speaking to us and through us. The voices of interiors, the voice of love, the voices of values, the voices of new meaning. Those are called interiors.

So we’re going to take the best we have in interiors and the best we have in exteriors, scientific objective information, and weave together a new narrative. Now Barbara, you just said so importantly that in 1951 there was just another moment where on the one hand there were people saying it was a meaninglessness like we talked about and you talked about in the last podcast. Then there was this other part of the world which said we’re progressing, it’s all good, it’s all fantastic…

Barbara: Do more of it.

Marc: And do more of it. You have to kind of have the large mainstream culture was success, move forward, the war’s over, let’s forget about it, but then there were people like…

Barbara: We won, we won.

Marc: And we won. There were people like you and your husband who actually were the existentialists meaning actually this is empty and how do we actually construct meaning? And how do we actually reweave the source code and so what the existentialist said was there is no source code. There is no meaning. We’re just making it up.

We’re now realizing in 2015 based on an enormous amount of depth and study and maturation and transformation and growth is that actually there is deep meaning available; that actually you can disclose meaning and it’s a new realization there’s a post-dogmatic. It’s not the old dogma, but there’s a post-dogmatic knowing of the patterns that connect, of the new story. For the first time we’re able to see the narrative, we can see where we’re going, and we can gather the best information.

Barbara: Well we talked about Cosmogenesis earlier. That was only the 1960s. I want to just make a point on the newness of this perspective. Because it wasn’t until they actually realized that Universe is not eternal or static, that it’s evolving and we are [0:08:00] evolving. It was only the 1960s. So when I graduated from college in 1951, they didn’t know. They did not know. Nobody knew. And then…

Marc: That the Universe itself was evolving.

Barbara: They did not know, much less that we were evolving. And so the other thing that we didn’t know therefore what was our meaning? Where should we go with all this power? What should we be doing with this? When I went to Bryn Mawr College I remember they said what course do you want to major in? Well I had to know what direction the Universe was going in before I knew what I wanted to major in and I just want to make the point as how hard it was to give meaning to your life if you didn’t know the direction of the larger process that you were part of and the crisis are also new. We didn’t really know we had an environmental crisis. We didn’t know.

Marc: We barely even knew we had an environment.

Barbara: We didn’t know we had an environment. We didn’t know we had a population problem. If we want more doubling of the population we could destroy life. We didn’t know we had the powers of Gods to destroy. So I would like to just say for the human species, the newness of this gives the sense of great empathy for us. We didn’t have any professors who are on the other side of this to say here’s the way we’re going. So the ones of us who are searching for, who are really searching into open space.

Marc: Right. And out of searching into that open space, we’ve gathered together really for the first time in history and integrated all over the great wisdom traditions from the traditional period before the Renaissance from the great spiritual religious traditions, from the Renaissance and on which we might call the scientific period or the modern period. And then the postmodern period after modernity failed in so many ways; the two great bombs dropped in WWII which symbolized the failure of modernity’s power.

So we’re going to draw wisdom from all three of those great traditions and weave them together. And as we’ve said every week so far, the result is a new story. The result is the realization that the Universe is a story, that it’s heading in a particular direction, and that its major plotline is love and here’s a big sentence:

We are personally implicated in evolution.

Barbara: So I want to say why if the Universe is heading for love, given the fact that if we could destroy the world with the powers that we have inherited, from the genius of humanity. If we do not learn how to love one another as all the great traditions have said fundamentally is true. But if we don’t learn it now, we’ll self-destruct. So it looks like love has come up on the agenda as never, never before because of the power to destroy and the power to co-create. So I’d like to put the need to love at the center of the story and when we say it’s been a love story towards ever greater allurement of particles joining with particles joining to…

Marc: We haven’t talked about it. We’re going to talk about it next week very clear. The allurement of particles and we’re going to be transparent there. We haven’t talked about that yet, but so we’re going to get that done next week. So if you didn’t get that, just bracket it and keep going.

Barbara: Ok. So I just wanted to say that what we’re saying now about the need for the new source code of love as the direction of evolution is vital for survival is not just nice.

Marc: Right. And that’s the key. It’s vital for the survival, not just for the individual. All of a sudden we’re facing a level of crisis where issues are not local, they’re global and we can either we’re before a tale of two futures.

The future can be filled with innovation, creativity, human dignity of an unimaginable proportion or we can actually implode and self-destruct.

The difference will be: Will we actually evolve our consciousness? Will we evolve love? Will we actually begin to realize that the Universe is a love story, that we’re personally implicated in this love story; in this evolutionary love story? When we wake up as conscious agents of that evolution, we begin to come together, we can actually transform the whole story. But we’re ahead of ourselves. So we’re already kind of reaching towards next week.

Let’s before we finish, Barbara, let’s just kind of summarize what are the four basic things that we’ve said?

We’ve said that the evolution’s not a fact in the world. Let’s get this straight.

The world, the Universe is not a fact, but a story and it’s a love story. It’s moving towards greater love.

We’ve said that that’s an urgent necessity to realize that. Without that realization, which will shift our consciousness and therefore transform our action, we actually can self-destruct.

We’ve pointed out that there was three big bangs:

Cosmological evolution, planets and stars, biological evolution life and cultural evolution of deeper ways of living. Ideas, consciousness where we go up to some kind of cave man to the most advanced human beings.

Those are the three big bangs and the trajectory of evolution from the Cosmological to biological to cultural evolution, three big bangs is towards greater and greater love, more and more caring. Barbara you pointed out greater inner-connectivity. A dog has more inner-connectivity, more love happening inside than an amoeba. A human being has fifty trillion cells. More inner-connectivity and love than an amoeba. And that we’re all unique expressions of that love, which we’re not going to talk about yet.

We’re all unique expressions of that love intelligence. That’s going to be really important to understand our place in the love story. But that, we’re ahead of ourselves. So that’s what we know. We’re personally implicated in the story and the story needs us. To know what role we play in the story, we need to understand the story. That’s where we’re going next week. Good?

Barbara: Good.

Marc: Rock on. Awesome. Next week it is.

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Transcript:

Marc: Barbara, here we go.

Barbara: The Universe: A Love Story. What does that mean?

Marc: The Universe: A Love Story. What does that mean? And it is so wildly important to realize as we’ve talked about so often, but at this moment in time what we understand is that the Universe is not a fact, the Universe is a story. Now, let me just I’m going to begin by just unpacking that sentence and I’m unpacking it not to inform Barbara that she’s been living it for fifty years, but just to kind of share with each other and we’re starting this conversation from the beginning. Tabula rasa. You know? No assumptions, just kind of laying out for each other and for you piece by piece what is the most exciting information, transformative information which not only changes the way you look at the world in a fundamental way, but the way you act, the way be in the world in a fundamental way.

Every once in a while there’s some piece of information that changes the way we look at the world, but not the way we live in it. Sometimes there’s a piece of information that changes the way you live, but not the way you actually look at the world. This information changes both. So here we go. The Universe: A Love Story. The Universe is not a fact, it’s a story. So let me unpack what we mean when we say that.

As recently as Einstein, Einstein thought the Cosmos was eternal. There’s an eternal Cosmos. It’s unchanging. Five hundred, a thousand years ago it was pretty clear that not only the physical Cosmos is eternal, but the biological Cosmos is eternal.

There were people before Charles Darwin who talks about evolution, who had evolutionary theories. Evolution was in the air when Darwin wrote and there are earlier evolutionary indications in thought, but still overwhelming mainstream of thought both the sciences that existed and in the world of spirit and the world of literature, the world of art assumed as an absolute given that the world was in eternal. The nature of the world was eternal; both the physical world and the life world. Do you get what we mean by that? The physical world is rocks and stones and planets and galaxies. By the biological world we mean anything that has life from amoeba to human beings. So the assumption was these are just facts. These exist.

Now the nature of the universe was it’s a given, it’s a fact, it’s not going anywhere, and the general understanding was that a God who lives outside the Universe decided to create it and that happened in six twenty-four hour days. Let there be a moon and there’s a moon. And we’re not going to talk about that right now, but that was just a given in reality. Along comes the evolutionary idea and evolution says the world’s not a fact, it’s a story. Meaning, the world is going somewhere. It has a direction. It has telos. Now don’t phase out on Latin words, my friends. A couple of Latin words are always fun. Telos from that has direction in the evolution means that the world started. We call it Cosmogenesis at a particular time, but it’s going somewhere. It has direction.

The world has evolved. It’s changed. The world’s gone through stages of evolution and those stages start with Cosmological evolution, right? We’ve got Cosmological evolution, planet sun stars, biological evolution life, and then cultural evolution which is the evolution of ideas, the evolution of consciousness, how do human beings think about things in the world?

So the early caveman and woman not only had tools that were different than our tools, but they thought about things differently. There wasn’t a lot of democracy for example. There wasn’t a big feminist movement. There wasn’t basic ideas of human rights, the intrinsic rights of every individual. All the ideas that we take for granted in much of the world of course didn’t exist. So ideas once the human beings came on the scene, ideas evolved. That’s cultural evolution.

Now if you track this whole story, Barbara and I are about to make a wild proposition which we think is based on the best evidence we have available today which is that this trajectory, simple word, this arrow, this direction of evolution, this evolutionary story of the changing world has a plot. There’s a plot to the story and the plot to the story is love. The story is a love story. The Universe is not a fact, it’s a story. The Universe is a love story. And in these few minutes we’re going to just fill in a little bit of what that means. So I’m going to turn now to Barbara just to begin filling that in.

Barbara: Well it was amazing to me how we discovered this. It was only in the sixties that some scientists heard the background radiation of the first explosion or flaring forth. They said it was like the first breaths of the Universe beginning. However that mystery began, and it is a total mystery, it was perfectly designed.

Marc: Right. The big bang.

Barbara: The big bang for energy, matter, and life to form. And that whisper was discovered by our scientists and they called it Cosmogenesis. The Cosmos had a Genesis and it has been evolving, it is evolving through us, and it will be evolving based on what we do. When I first heard that, I was so thrilled.

A lot of people didn’t notice it. But what I felt is that if the Universe started with a big bang and it has been evolving towards ever greater consciousness and complexity and potentiality, somehow I was in it. In other words, I must be also evolving and you’re evolving and we are evolving and the world is evolving and the doors opened up for my mind. A feeling stuck and wondering where I was going and what I was doing I got a clue from the Universe where I was going. Because apparently, from that big bang, up through billions and billions of years, the Universe had a direction and the direction you can see it from single cells to multi-cells to animals to humans to us was ever-greater awareness, ever-greater consciousness, ever-greater freedom to choose to destroy or create. And it looked to me like we are the story in person. So I began to really research this story of evolution as the story of ourselves evolving.

Marc: Beautiful, beautiful and we’re going to get back to so much of what Barbara said in future podcasts, but one of the things that we’re going to do because we’re madly loving you is we’re going to take this piece at a time and you’ll be with us for…we’ll be with you, we’ll be with each other Universe willing for a long time; at least the next year we’re going to be talking about this and every week we’re going to unfold another piece of it.

So I’m going to go back to the Genesis, to the beginning. So when we say the Universe is a love story, it’s a story that is to say it’s moving somewhere. It has a plot. Now where is it moving? So Barbara, you just said so beautifully, where’s it moving? So what do we simply know about evolution? Evolution is the movement from simple to complex.

We’ve got an amoeba. An amoeba is simple; lots of beauty and dazzling gorgeousness in amoeba. But relatively simple compared to a dog. But a dog is more complex. So the movement of evolution from an amoeba which is single celled to then multi-cellular organisms, then early plants, then more advanced plants and then early animals and then mammals up through to human beings; from neural nets to neural chords to ultimately to a frontal cortex and you don’t need to know all those words. Just detract the general movement of evolution from simple to complex.

Now if you notice, it’s not just that the movement is from simple to complex, it’s from less consciously or less overtly loving to more consciously, more overtly, more clearly, more availably, obviously loving. How do you know? Well let me say it simply. When was the last time you saw a person that had a pet amoeba? There’s not a lot of pet amoebas around. Why aren’t there pet amoebas? There aren’t pet amoebas because there’s not an easy exchange of love with amoebas. So amoebas function. They’re enormously successful from an evolutionary perspective, but you wouldn’t have a pet amoeba because there’s no exchange of love. There’s less consciousness. An amoeba’s less conscious than a dog.

Now let’s track this for a second. So the more complexity we have, the more consciousness we have. A dog is more conscious than an amoeba. Now a dog’s also more loving than an amoeba. A dog can give love. You can embrace a dog, you can do puppy love. We call it puppy love because puppies are loving and dogs are loving in a fascinating set of ways.

As a matter of fact, I had a dog for a period of time who was deeply in love. It was a female dog with the male dog next door. Both were neutered so it wasn’t for sexual reproduction. And my dog would always save the best bone for the dog next door. Two times the dog next door was attacked. My dog got involved to help that dog and my dog was wildly loving to me. Very different than a dog eat dog world, which is described by the bad readings of evolution which don’t really take good science into account.

So if you track this, let’s say it really simply. The evolution, the trajectory, the arrow of evolution is from simple to complex. Simplicity/complexity, but on the inside of complexity you always have consciousness. So it’s from less consciousness to more consciousness. A dog is more conscious than an amoeba. But the inside of the consciousness is love. The inside of consciousness is love. So the dog is more loving, more overtly and obviously choosing love than an amoeba. So the movement of evolution is the movement from simple to complex, the inside of complexity is consciousness, and the inside of consciousness is love. Now that’s pretty wild.

Barbara: There’s something that I’d like to add to that. That the complexity is consciousness. When you think about what complexity means, let’s say you have fifty trillion cells operating as you to make the complex person that you are. Now, I have fifty trillion cells. I’m not noticing…

Marc: To make the very complex person that you are.

Barbara: I’m not noticing even one of them doing this. So within this complexity is organizational genius of separate parts coming together by attraction to do specific things within each creating a new being. And so the word complexity hardly describes…

Marc: It’s so beautiful.

Barbara: Or even the word consciousness that what’s causing this complexity and consciousness is so greatly mysterious that you have to say divine intelligence of some sort is operating to create this ever-greater complexity, ever-greater consciousness, and ever-greater love because the parts that are making up our bodies have to be attracted to each other to do their part or you wouldn’t stay together for a minute. You’d just go poof. You would disappear.

Marc: Alright. This is so important. So there’s definitely…

Barbara: Love is holding all those pieces together. This is what we’re saying.

Marc: Does everyone get what Barbara said? Because this is great. So Barbara is saying that not only is the movement of evolution from an amoeba to a dog to a human being for example, more and more complex and more and more loving. A human being, being more loving than a dog and believe me, I love dogs, but human beings build hospitals. Human beings are able, at least have the capacity of course for more destruction, but they also have the capacity to stand at levels of chosen love that the animal world can’t yet stand in; building hospitals being a great example. Taking care of all who are sick; taking care of all those who are sick and helpless who are not in our immediate family. So the human being has for many evolutionary perspectives the most expanded possible circle of love.

But Barbara is adding a second thing, a second dimension of the Universe: A Love Story which is that the dog has more interior love happening in her or his essence than the amoeba because the dog is more complex. And Barbara, tell me if I’m reflecting this back correctly because it’s such a beautiful and key- when you say complexity, you don’t capture it. Complexity means this enormously dazzlingly elegant designed… designed by the interior intelligence of reality itself.

If the word divine by the way doesn’t work for you, skip it. We don’t want to get lost in word games.

It’s an intelligent Cosmos that manifests the dazzlingly intricate and gorgeous complexity of interconnectivity happening within the dog that’s much higher than interconnectivity happening in the amoeba. But then when you get to the interconnectivity happening within Barbara Marx-Hubbard, fifty trillion cells, that’s love. That’s what Barbara called attraction. There’s an attractive force happening inside that’s holding it all together in this dazzling interior Eros which is this organizing principle of a symphony which defies imagination in its unspeakable and unbearable beauty and again held together by love. And, every single part is unique. Oh my God, oh my Goddess.

Barbara: Every single cell seems to know what its part is. In other words, what its unique part to make an eye, to make an ear, to make a thumb, and every one of them is unique. Now this is such a miracle.

Marc: So there’s this mad love story taking place within us while we’re talking about love in every second.

Barbara: Maybe the cells are getting it too.

Marc: The cells are getting it for sure and we’re going to come back and talk about the cell forgetting. This is the end of our first week. We just began, but you begin to get a hint of what we mean when we say the Universe is a love story. Thank you Barbara. I love you.

Barbara: It’s a story.

Marc: Do you love me?

Barbara: I do, of course.

Marc: That’s so good. I was like going to wait to I was going to say it off camera for real. Love you all. Thank you so much. Next week. Love podcast two.

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