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  1. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 0 Intention
  2. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 1 The Universe: A Love Story
  3. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 2 Evolving the Source Code
  4. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 3 Recapitulation
  5. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 4 Responding to Questions
  6. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 5 Outrageous Love
  7. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 6 Politics of Outrageous Love Part 1
  8. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 7 Evolutionary Love and the Evolution of Love
  9. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 8 Politics of Outrageous Love Part 2
  10. The Universe: A Love Story Video Series – 9 Politics of Outrageous Love Part 3

Watch this last in a series of 10, beautiful videos on The Universe: A Love Story, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni.

Barbara: . . . when a system is at this point of disequilibrium, it could go either way. The smallest energy towards the positive can have a huge effect. If the system is stuck in a stable situation, your trying to change it is very, very hard. But if the system is disordered, that tendency towards syntropy for a greater order is there so I want everybody to know that the smallest acts that any of us can do at a time of disequilibrium is much more potent than let’s say when the system is stuck.

Marc: So at a time of disequilibrium, a small fluctuation in the system jumps it to a higher level of order which is exactly the experience of the evolutionary relationship to life that my next act shifts the whole system. Everyone got that? It’s awesomely important and beautiful to finish with.

Transcript

Marc: Welcome to the tenth episode of The Universe: A Love Story podcasts, Evolutionary Love podcasts and we are in the politics of outrageous love part three.

To truly deepen and understand how do we enact the politics of outrageous love? Now let’s just notice we’re talking about the politics of outrageous love, we’re talking about love breaking out and becoming the guiding force, the organizing force of reality. When Buckminster Fuller said that love is the gravity of reality, the metaphysics of reality, the gravitational metaphysics of reality is love which just means something really simple: Love is the organizing principle.

So evolutionary love drives the whole thing and evolutionary love moves us toward the evolution of love. In the evolution of love, one of the great moments is the emergence, the awakening to the realization that the answer to the question of who are you is you are, I am, an irreducibly unique expression of the love intelligence with a unique perspective, with unique outrageous acts of love to commit. That’s one movement in the evolution of love.

Then an even higher movement in the evolution of love; let’s kind of break it out clearly this week, is when those unique selves come together and they form a unique self symphony. So I’m no longer acting independently in my own sphere. I begin to see with evolutionary eyes, I begin to have an evolutionary relationship to life, I realize I’m living in an evolutionary context and I’m not just acting as a small self in my narrow life. I begin to I may be the exact same things, but when I act to heal let’s say pain in my family, I’m acting to heal that trauma for all of reality, not just to solve my little problem. I’m actually participating in the field that’s a term from physics there’s a field of love intelligence.

The entire field of love intelligence is interconnected and so when I act and I address the unique need in my unique circle of intimacy and influence, I’m affecting the entire field of love intelligence and awakening to the fact that there’s a unique self symphony which is in the field of love intelligence which then acts together to unleash energies that were unavailable before because of the unique music that’s created to the new synergies, new coming together of parts to form larger wholes is in itself a new level of consciousness, a new expression of the evolution of love, a new resounding holy yes emerging in symphonic form. So that’s where we are.

Barbara: Beautiful.

Marc: Yea, Amen. Anyway, that’s where we are. So let’s talk about how to give that structure. What would the structures of the unique self symphony be? How would it happen? You’ve spent so much time on this Barbara.

Barbara: I discovered a structure. It’s very simple. Instead of having people speaking and other people in rows… you can’t do it that way. We had to create a big circle and we had to create every part of that circle is a function. Who’s interested in health? Who’s interested in education? Who is interested in science? Who’s interested in art? And so on. And people were invited to go into the sector of that circle where they wanted to create. In other words, where the unique self wanted to express itself and it went in and became small groups saying this is what I want to create, this is what I need that I don’t have and this is what I want to give freely to everyone. So these little clusters around these functions formed and then they had a chance to share with each other, it’s like a whole self symphony, it was a very microcosmic symphony because each sector said this is what we want to create, this is what we need that we don’t have, does anybody else in this wheel have what we need? Always, they did.

So we got vocational dating. You date with the people who have something you need in order to be yourself and then what you want to give that somebody else might need, somebody needs it. They come up to you and before you know it you have a unique self symphony on a microcosmic scale. Then, people go back to their sectors of the wheel and you symbolically take down the walls of the sectors.

So there’s no more separation in your body. Yes you have a heart, a stomach, liver, but there’s no walls. It’s a whole system. So you get to feel what it’s like if you’re a member of a small whole system. It’s political and at the center of the circle is heart, love, and coordination of separate parts.

Marc: Outrageous love.

Barbara: So the people at the coordinating hub are not government trying to tell you what to do, in fact government is a sector. The heart of it is love and coordination which I think represents the universal process of the symphonic connecting through allurement. We were and I did twenty-five of these with my partner John Whiteside in the 1970s in all kinds of strange places. I tell you like gang leaders of Los Angeles or space scientists in Huntsville, Alabama or you know all kinds of people and it’s the nature of nature.

It’s what Buckminster Fuller called an operating manual for spaceship Earth is social synergy. We’re structured in hierarchical silos. Universities are designed in silos. Politics is win/lose structure even in the best liberal democracy. Religions are organized in separate categories. We created a whole system. Now I think the politics of unique self symphony is to start doing this on local scales, larger scales, and eventually having a planetary symphony.

Marc: That’s awesome.

Barbara: Do we have the internet?

Marc: We do.

Barbara: What we need is the intention to do this.

Marc: The intention to do it and some good technology which we’re working on here.

Barbara: In five years… I would set a goal that in five years we can have a unique self symphony at least on some scale which would be that everybody on Earth who wants to be part of it is giving their gift within it. Everybody on Earth. And suddenly you don’t want to become a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. You don’t become East or West, black or white. You become a unique self.

Marc: You become a unique self in a unique self symphony. How gorgeous….

Barbara: I mean you get over the whole thing.

Marc: Right. You get over the whole thing and here’s where technology becomes again, an instrument of love. So it’s about a million dollars to put together this piece of technology. We’ve got the specs for it. You want to play and participate with us, so come play with us. Let’s create this. So let’s look at this for a second. Ok? We’re in the just about the end of the tenth podcast which is the end of our first series of podcasts. So I think at this point it’s time to look at an anthill. An anthill, right? I mean clearly we’ve got to look at an anthill.

So an anthill is unbelievably complex. Every ant knows exactly what to do and the ants have never gone to the twenty-five syn-cons, right? Synergy conferences that Barbara and Colonial Whiteside put on. Now how could that be? Ok? Because in the ant world, there is an intelligence, an inherent intelligence. Every ant know what to do possibly through the secretion of pheromones, a chemical which has coded information, and when anthills were first studied there was the question which was where’s the General? Who’s giving [0:08:00] instructions?

Similar to slime molds if you’ve ever been on a forest floor and you see something that looks like slight vomit on a log, that could be slime molds. So slime molds move along, then at a certain moment they dissipate all this cells in different directions and they’ll come back together. So who gives the orders to disburse? Who brings the slime molds back together? So we call that property which Barbara was just so magnificently describing self organization.

Barbara: Yes.

Marc: Self organization though isn’t a magic word. Self organization is outrageous love.

Barbara: Well who’s the self organizing in this cace? In this case you and I are the expression of itself, of the larger self in the Universe. I mean this unique self, this unique self and every unique self is yearning to give its gift into the whole. This is as strong as the desire for love. This is the desire of love.

Marc: This is the desire for love.

Barbara: This is the desire for… it’s outrageous love.

Marc: It’s outrageous love. And just like an anthill and Barbara just like you know homerun, bases loaded, top of the ninth or bottom of the ninth. I can’t remember which is the top and the bottom, but it’s somewhere in the ninth.

So what’s happening here? So ants self-organize perhaps through pheromone secretions. How does the unique self symphony of human beings self-organize through uniqueness? In other words, my unique self, uniqueness is the strange attractor which drives self-organization. So Barbara lives her unique self called forth by that unique destiny, which has nothing to do with her background, nothing to do with her family. There’s some deeper soul’s code if you will. Some deeper destiny that calls forth that uniqueness. Marc’s called forth by his uniqueness and Norman’s called by his uniqueness and then uniqueness moves us to play our unique instrument in the unique self symphony, which together forms a music of potent creativity that has the ability to address every challenge on the planet and to actually take us to the next step of reality in which people actually live loving each other, creating together. Creating greatness, depth, beauty, and goodness. Wow.

Barbara: You see that unique self in each person is coded with an impulse to realize that potential.

Marc: Right, a unique impulse.

Barbara: A unique impulse and a unique potential.

Marc: Right and the unique potential.

Barbara: Every single individual has unique potential and the closer you can get to identifying what that potential is and saying yes to it, the more you get to be a part of the symphony. And if you so everybody has it. It’s just like we all have a heart, a lung, and a liver. We also have a unique self potential. But the thing is we often don’t notice it. We often don’t spend the time to say oh I’m not sure if that’s right. I’m not sure if I know which way to go. But the only way you know is by giving it the test; trying it, saying yes to the attraction even if it’s a small yes. You don’t have to say a big yes and jump off a cliff. You just say a little yes.

I mean I was a housewife in Lakeville with five children and I got depressed and I said there’s a yes in here somewhere for more that wants to emerge and I wanted to say that yes out of the depression to say there’s more coming for me that I didn’t have any clue what it was completely changed my life because if I had said no, and just tried to stay with the depression or medicate myself so I didn’t feel the depression, I don’t think I’d be sitting here.

Marc: Yea, no. It’s so…

Barbara: It’s a little choice, it’s a tiny choice, but it’s huge in its implications.

Marc: It’s huge. I mean there’s so beautifully said, Barbara. There’s a the mystics call it a point of choice. It’s a narrow window of choice which is the place that I choose to say yes to reality personally expressing as me which is my unique self and I’ll close with two things. I’m sure Barbara will close with a last thing afterwards, which is perfect because we’re in this gorgeous dance. So here’s one, here’s two.

One, you know there’s an idea in chaos theory and complexity theory called the strange attractor. Well I want to use that word poetically. Strange attractor that which pulls us forward, which draws us forward. Lots of what we do in therapy is we work out what happened yesterday which is important, but it’s not enough to heal. To heal, to become whole I need to be drawn towards my future. I need to enact, I need to articulate my memory of my future. The future that draws me forward is unique self.

Now let’s take it one step further because this is so shocking and it’s so beautiful that just to see it just blows your heart open. If you realize that the entire trajectory of evolution is the evolution of love, that the evolution of love expresses itself, climaxes, apexes in a human being who awakens as a unique expression of outrageous love; committing their unique outrageous acts of love, we then realize that unique self is the strange attractor for the entire evolutionary symphony. The unique self is drawing the entire story forward and then the last point and then to Barbara is going to close up and take us the last step home.

You also realize and this is what you were talking about Barbara in terms of depression and depression is replaceability. Someone else could be doing it. Unique self is a source of joy. Joy can never be had by pursuing joy. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? The pursuit of happiness doesn’t work. Happiness is available as a byproduct of the passionate pursuit of something other than happiness.

What is that? That is saying yes to your unique self which gives you the potency of outrageous love and the ability to commit outrageous acts of love and to realize that you’re alive, your radical aliveness, you’re needed by all that is?

Barbara:         That yes is a compass of joy and nature you know makes things pleasurable and that’s really the direction you’re supposed to go in. So when you feel the joy of the saying yes, by doing something maybe a peak performance in certain ways you feel you’re good at communicating, you’re good at athletics, you’re good at something. Keep going in that direction because there’s no end to it.

But I wanted to conclude with something about strange attractors. In the structural domain, my understanding in chaos theory is that when a system, a big political system is out of equilibrium it tends to try to go backwards to stabilize. So you have reactive religions, reactive politics all around the world. Meanwhile, it can’t stabilize by going back. Therefore, it’s going to go towards something. If it can find a benign structure to jump toward, not just good ideas, but a structure that could hold the system. There has to be that’s why I liked the wheel of co-creation. It’s a structure.

Marc: Define benign for everybody. Good structure.

Barbara: It’s a kind, coherent, loving way. A loving structure.

Marc: An outrageously loving structure.

Barbara: Democracy is a loving structure for its time, particularly liberal democracy. We went out of a monarchy. We jumped. However, if there isn’t a benign and loving structure for existence to jump into, it can jump into a very diabolic system.

Marc: It goes reactive.

Barbara: For example, Nazis. Nazi-ism was a diabolical system invented as a strange attractor and very skillfully; communism, fascism. We went through some terrible strange attractors, including our defense program which was mutually assured destruction as a defense program. So I mean these were very bad strange attractors. What we’re doing in the unique self symphony I believe is creating a new strange attractor.

Marc: Absolutely.

Barbara: It’s symphonic, it is structural, it is [0:16:00] open to new systems of coordination and cooperation that will lead to a politics of outrageous love.

Marc: Isn’t that awesome? Friends, this is the end of the first ten podcasts. We end as we began.

We stand before a tale of two futures. It’s the best of times, it’s the worst of times. Awakening as outrageous love, participating in the evolution of love which is really what we’re doing here together. We’re at the leading edge of the leading edge. We are love awakening in this conversation.

So I end with the most important thing. I love you.

Barbara: I just wanted to say one more little thing.

Marc: See? She doesn’t love me. Did you guys get that?

Barbara: Is that when a system is at this point of disequilibrium, it could go either way. The smallest energy towards a positive can have a huge effect. If the system is stuck in a stable situation, your trying to change it is very, very hard. But if the system is out of… is disordered, that tendency towards syntropy for a greater order is there so I want everybody to know that the smallest acts that any of us can do at a time of disequilibrium is much more potent than let’s say when the system is stuck.

Marc: So at a time of disequilibrium, a small fluctuation in the system jumps it to a higher level of order which is exactly the experience of the evolutionary relationship to life that my next act shifts the whole system. Everyone got that? It’s awesomely important and beautiful to finish with.

Now let’s see if Barbara loves me. I waited a little bit. She just ignored me. Skipped. But let’s try it one more time.

Barbara: I do love you.

Marc: Ok. Oh my God, thank God. Love you all. Awesome. Thank you.

Watch this 9th in a series of 10, beautiful videos on The Universe: A Love Story, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni. Listen especially to the beautiful segment when Barbara and Marc discuss the connection between our personal YES to our acts of outrageous love to the YES of the universe itself.

Marc: Let’s just end this with a yes. Because the yes that you’re talking about Barbara is the yes of the big bang. The very holy yes of the great flaring forth, the big bang in which reality moved from no thing to something. And in one to the negative forty-three seconds, the very beginning of time before the laws of physics there’s an explosion of yes. And that yes initiates the entire process of emergence driven by evolutionary love. And the process itself is the evolution of love. And when love awakens as you and you scream out yes to the unique, outrageous acts of love that are your unique gift then evolution is awakening to itself as you, love has evolved, you’re playing the largest game that is you, I, we are participating together in the evolution of love in a larger unique self symphony that can unleash the creativity, the infinite resource that has the ability to heal, to transform and take us the next step. That’s the evolution of love.

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Barbara: And the thing that’s encouraging about this is this is a 13.8 billion year trend. So instead of saying oh my God how can you expect this to happen against the tide of history? Actually you’re saying this is the tide of history, this is a new norm. This is a new mainstream. This is not an alternative. This is the direction of evolution been going on for billions of years and some of us are catching on to the direction.

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome to week nine, podcast nine The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts. We want to talk this week about the politics of outrageous love reloaded, right? Part two. Up-level. So we have to introduce an idea here that we’ve actually eluded to and mentioned in passing probably since week one. We’ve never fully unpacked it which is actually critical. And that is the idea which I’ll get to in about two minutes. Here we go.

So the Universe is governed by outrageous love. The Universe is not a fact, it’s a story. It’s not an ordinary story, it’s a love story. It’s not an ordinary love story, it’s an outrageous love story. And the thing that we need to know most in the world now, the most urgent need that you describe Barbara in three or four different podcasts is: we have an urgent need to know that the Universe is a love story and not an ordinary love story, an outrageous love story meaning that outrageous love is the nature of the Universe itself. When I awaken as outrageous love I am aligning with the nature of reality.

So this is very different than a world described not by the science of Darwinism, not by the evolutionary science, but by the church of scientism or the dogma of the Neo-Darwinism that is to say the claim that has nothing to do with science; that the world is random, happenstance, chance, driven by brutal competition, nasty brutish story, dog eat dog world. That’s the nature of reality which is what most people in the world think is the nature of reality. Even religious people. Underneath they’ve heard about the evolution thing and they think underneath they kind of believe a little, but underneath there’s this brutal competition which is actually not the nature of reality according to the best information that we have in the world today which we’re just beginning to bring to bear. We’ve just barely begun.

But we now know that the Universe is a story, it’s a love story. That’s the new narrative. We’re changing the source code of the very narrative of reality itself. So here we go. I awaken as outrageous love. I’m an outrageous lover. What do outrageous lovers do? Have you ever wondered about that? What do outrageous lovers do? Well they keep every boundary that should be kept, they break every boundary that should be broken, they have the wisdom to know the difference. Ok. So far so good. But that didn’t really tell me anything.

What do outrageous lovers do? Well the answer is obvious. Outrageous lovers commit outrageous acts of love. That’s what they do. One second. Which outrageous acts of love should they commit? There’s so much that needs to be done. The answer again self-evident and obvious, outrageous lovers commit outrageous acts of love that are a function of their unique self.

Barbara: That’s it.

Marc: Because unique self; it’s a great critical term. Unique self answers the great question of who are you? Who are you? Who are you? Who are you? Are you a cog in the machine? Are you a separate self? Separate from everyone else struggling to survive? Who are you? Are you kind of, enlightenment, no-self? You’re really not there? No-Self? You’re just an illusion?

The best answer we have to the question of who are you is based on emergent from everything we’re saying in the last nine podcasts. Who are you? You are an irreducibly unique expression of the love intelligence that initiated and animated all that is that lives in you, as you, and through you; that ever was, is, or could be other than through you. And therefore you have a unique perspective and a unique taste and a unique quality of intimacy that fosters your unique gifts that gives you a unique ability to address the unique needs in your unique circle of intimacy and influence in a way that no-one that ever was, is, or will be ever again can do but you. Wow. That’s what it means to be a unique self. That’s shocking. That’s shocking.

So that’s who you are. You’re a unique expression of outrageous love which means you’ve got something to do here and the Universe needs your service. That’s the beginning. That’s the first building block that we need to talk about the politics of outrageous love. Here’s the last sentence and then over to Barbara. Ok? So we talked about last week if you remember the evolution of love. So love moves from, once love gets to the human world, it begins with quarks, becomes the atoms, and it goes all the way up the evolutionary chain until you get to the human world. Then love begins at egocentric and breaks out to ethnocentric and moves to worldcentric and moves to Cosmocentric.

That happens throughout history, but also happens within an individual human being’s life. You can have egocentric love, me and my family and my close friends, ethnocentric, me and my people, worldcentric for every human being, Cosmocentric I awaken as Barbara described so magnificently last week: I awaken as the personal face of the evolutionary impulse where we’re calling the unique self with unique outrageous acts of love to commit. That’s Cosmocentric.

Now notice and then to Barbara who’s going to pick this up and show us how it plays in creating a politics of outrageous love. Notice what that means is that when I awaken as outrageous love, as an outrageous lover, I’m committing the outrageous acts of love that are a function of my unique self. Meaning, it gets really personal and really intimate. The personal doesn’t disappear. When I awaken as a unique self, my uniqueness connects me with everything. I’ve got a unique gift to give that’s needed by everything, and my uniqueness is my personal, intimate quality of Barbaraness that the Universe needs that expresses my full potency, my full creativity, my full gorgeousness, my full aliveness so I begin to become a unique self and I begin to participate together with other unique selves in the unique self symphony which Barbara’s about to describe.

Barbara: Well you know it’s so interesting that on my own I swam up the rivers of evolution to exactly the same point that you got to. I swam up a different river and ended up in the same tributary here. It’s interesting how many other people may have swam up their own rivers and get to exactly this point. And there are a couple of things I just want to say about it.

First of all the blessing it is to be able to say yes to this impulse within you and I want to say if the impulse feels small to begin with, or it feels uncertain, then it is small and is uncertain to begin with because it’s sort of groping through you. And your groping is part of the universal groping. I sometimes wake up almost every day saying is this exactly what I should be doing today? It is because I’m at the Frontier of my own life and I’m not always sure where to put my weight down. Like, is this the right thing to do? Love podcasts. Whoever thought of that? You did. So I’m doing it and I’m now saying I think it’s the right thing to do. Why am I saying that? Because it deals with an impulse inside me to bring forward more of this evolutionary communication potential which I think is the salvation of our world. And so [0:08:00] what was my question? What did you ask me? I got so enthusiastic…

Marc: So maybe take us into a little bit… a vision… this is big. We’re going to… give us five minutes on: What’s the vision of the unique self symphony?

Barbara: Oh the unique self symphony is such a beautiful vision. First of all, take the astronaut’s position when they saw planet Earth for the first time from space. And we saw that picture and it changed everybody. You never could get over having seen that picture and when they were up there, they had a sense of ecstasy. They had a sense of incredible beauty and meaningfulness of the entire Universe. But they didn’t see any people, they didn’t see any systems, they didn’t see what was happening on Earth. They just saw the beautiful planet.

Well I got up there and I actually saw the planet as a living organism which it actually is. And their people and their suffering and their systems of communication and transportation and all… Think of that as a living being; planet Earth as a living organism. And what I actually experienced as a personal revelation of what’s happening is the pain got so great the outrageous pain became so great in this particular moment that we stopped. And when we stopped out of outrageous pain what actually happened was empathy or outrageous love.

Now everybody has felt outrageous love from time to time. In this moment when the pain was intense enough the outrageous love wouldn’t stop. So it went from you to you to you to you and then people started to gather and people started to feel empowered together and it was one of those moments like the lunar landing when suddenly everyone is paying attention or the assassination of John F. Kennedy. This was the awakening of humanity moment. And suddenly this oh they’re gathering here, they’re gathering there, they’re gathering everywhere and I was experiencing this and I make it in the past tense. Gradually what happened is the news media started to it’s our nervous system started to pick up people being healed, people being loving each other.

So we got a new nervous system. And then I saw all the innovations in society; health, education, economics, being coordinated by allurement for the same thing that got the quarks together and got the atoms together and got all of these very complex systems together started to get us together. So it wasn’t just by human organization alone. When we got to a certain degree of empathy as a unique self, the system that coordinates quarks, atoms, molecule, and cells started to coordinate us. And all those synchronicities that happened occasionally in your life started to happen faster and faster and it was a moment of what you’re calling a unique self symphony. And the conductor of the symphony is the universal process of creation. It’s the same conductor that got us from the quarks to us. So that conductor tends to create whole systems out of like the fifty-trillion cells here.

So I had an experience in the past of what you now call a unique self symphony. Another phrase I used for it was a planetary birth experience that we collectively opened our eyes in a field of love and resonance and it turned out that there was no more fear. That was the key because the fear of hunger, the fear of poverty, the fear of war, the fear of being hurt somehow in the field of love disappeared even for an instant and when collective fear disappeared, the collective love took hold and then I saw the structure of the politics of unique self. And the politics is that everyone is giving their gift wherever they feel they need to give it and they’re saying this is what I want to give, this is what I need, this is what I want to offer to others, and we started to do what nature does. We became mutually attracted as a whole and I felt a planetary awakening. And I got a message from myself personally which I call a vocation of destiny. Barbara, our story is the birth of a universal co-creative humanity. Go tell the story.

So I’d like to say to everybody when you have a vision, when you have a momentary revelation, don’t let it go. See what part is calling you to do and even if it might seem a little bit absurd to go around and say my purpose is to tell the story of the birth of a new humanity. If you feel it in your heart to be so, and then you check out with other people and you read the stories… I read geology, biology, all of that stuff. I studied and I found it was true and I just want to say that the unique self symphony and the unique self politics I believe is on a threshold of happening. And that this love podcast is one of its emissaries for anybody who listens to it. We’re all in this together and the time is now. That’s the truth.

Marc: The time is now and so beautiful and so inviting and so alluring and so thrilling and so urgently necessary and you know we’re going to in our tenth podcast we’re going to do politics of outrageous love part three.

Let’s just end this with a yes. Because the yes that you’re talking about Barbara is the yes of the big bang. The very holy yes of the great flaring forth, the big bang in which reality moved from no thing to something. And in one to the negative forty-three seconds, the very beginning of time before the laws of physics there’s an explosion of yes. And that yes initiates the entire process of emergence driven by evolutionary love. And the process itself is the evolution of love. And when love awakens as you and you scream out yes to the unique, outrageous acts of love that are your unique gift then evolution is awakening to itself as you, love has evolved, you’re playing the largest game that is you, I, we are participating together in the evolution of love in a larger unique self symphony that can unleash the creativity, the infinite resource that has the ability to heal, to transform and take us the next step. That’s the evolution of love.

Barbara: Last point.

Marc: Last point. Go for it Love.

Barbara: Whatever got single cells to create multi cells to create organisms… whatever created those symphonies if you want to call those unique self symphonies up the chain of life, the very same power that did that is doing this.

Marc: It’s the symphony of mitosis and myosis.

Barbara: It’s a universal process and the beauty of our moments in history is we’re aware of it. It happened to the quarks and the single cells. They weren’t aware of the privilege of being alive at this moment on this Earth is we can be aware and participate consciously.

Marc: Right. And did everyone just catch what Barbara said? So she’s talking about the symphony of cellular life for example which is separate cells that come together and just look up on the internet when you get off this podcast, look up molecular biology. Look up mitosis and myosis. Two cellular processes. You will see a symphony of dazzling proportions. So, too, we [0:16:00] as individual cells of a larger organism of life are drawn together, allured to create a unique self symphony that can actually respond to outrageous pain with outrageous love.

Barbara: And the thing that’s encouraging about this is this is a 13.8 billion year trend. So instead of saying oh my God how can you expect this to happen against the tide of history? Actually you’re saying this is the tide of history, this is a new norm. This is a new mainstream. This is not an alternative. This is the direction of evolution been going on for billions of years and some of us are catching on to the direction.

Marc: Awesome. Could not be better, right? Awakening as outrageous love finishing podcast nine in The Universe: A Love Story, an outrageous love story, Evolutionary Love podcasts. See you next week.

From the dialogue:

Barbara: So the evolution of love has to do with the freedom to choose to say yes to the impulse of love within yourself and to be wise enough also to know in what direction that love is to go. It’s not just to be love in a totally expansive way for everyone and everything. Everyone has a unique aspect of the evolution of love, which is the evolution of I think of it as our soul’s code like we’re almost born to give certain gifts to the world. . . .

. . . when you get to the evolution of love and you realize that love is the impulse of creation itself in you, specifically as you, and you say yes to it, something starts to turn on in you that is I would say the impulse of evolution as love and it starts to guide you.

. . .

Marc: . . . Barbara then jumped to stage four so gorgeously; then I go from world-centric love to Cosmocentric love where I actually identify as evolution awakening as me. Love incarnates, love intelligence incarnates as me, and the evolutionary impulse of all of reality becomes awake as Barbara. And reality is having a Barbara experience and Barbara as the evolutionary impulse of love begins to act in the world.

When that happens, then new synchronicities, new attractions, new realities, new political structures. Because Barbara is not just loving every human being she is love itself. She’s awakened as outrageous evolutionary love. She becomes the force of the Cosmos itself is now Barbara-ing. Is now acting as Barbara which is the ultimate incarnation that we know of, of the evolution of love which is I think is what you were referring to.

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome to week eight of The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni. Here we go.

Last week, if you remember in the clip, we were looking at the beginnings of a politics of outrageous love and we began to lay down what that meant. What does it mean that love awakens in us and we become agents, we awaken as outrageous love, and we begin to engage the world and engage the outrageous pain in the world not with our small selves, not with our limited Egoic grasping, competitive selves, but as evolution awakening in us, as the evolutionary impulse awakening as us, as the outrageous love which animates the evolutionary impulse awakening as us. We awaken as outrageous lovers. And it’s only as outrageous lovers that we can engage outrageous pain. We live in a world of outrageous pain. The only response to outrageous pain is outrageous love. And Barbara, you began to talk about autopoiesis, about a system jumping to a higher level of order which happens in the physical world.

You began to describe it in the social world. I talked briefly about a unique self symphony which is another word to describe the same process. And then when we met this week in receiving the fabulous comments and the excitement about last week, we decided to step back and actually lay down some really key foundational groundwork that’s going to allow us to get to politics of outrageous love parts two and three in a way that really blows it open and it’s really grounded. It can really be transformative. That can only happen if we lay down some more fundamentals. So here we go. This is fundamentals week and fundamentals means we’re going to draw a couple of new distinctions which are essential and exciting. So here we go.

So we’ve talked about the distinction between outrageous love and ordinary love. Outrageous love equals evolutionary love. It’s the love that moves the sun and the stars. It’s the love that moves quarks to become atoms, right? And atoms to become molecules. The love that animates the entire evolutionary process. So outrageous love is evolutionary love. It’s evolutionary Eros. It’s the fifth force of the Universe using that term poetically, not in a precise scientific way. It’s that which causes the Universe not to stop at hydrogen or carbon, but to actually go through all the stages of evolution, all the big bangs.

The first big bang Cosmological evolution, physical world that we described in week one, the second big bang biological evolution the evolution of the life field, the life world.

And finally the third big bang, cultural evolution, what de Chardin called the noosphere or the evolution of ideas, the field of ideas, the field of human consciousness that moves from caveman and cavewoman up to enlightened pluralistic democracy that goes and produces great art and great goodness and great kindness and hospitals and modern medicine and extended fields of care.

So we’re talking about this whole field. We’re in this field; and so we want to make a distinction between evolutionary love and the evolution of love.

Because to really get those two terms clearly is kind of really critical.

So by evolutionary love we’re talking about the love that moves the whole process that I just described. But I also implicitly described the evolution of love itself.

So evolutionary love is the energy force that drives the whole thing. That’s evolutionary love, outrageous love, evolutionary Eros, the fifth force of the Universe. In science they call it self-organization. One of its mechanisms Barbara described last week, autopoiesis, the tendency of a system to jump to a higher level of order, that overcomes entropy, overcomes the forces of disorder. That’s all evolutionary love.

What do we mean Barbara when we talk about the evolution of love? Evolutionary love and the evolution of love. Tell us about the evolution of love.

Barbara: Well, the evolution of love is the incarnation of evolutionary love.

Marc: Right. Let’s talk about it.

Barbara: Ok. How does it feel?

Marc: Ok, so how does it feel?

Barbara: For me, now to really speak personally, the evolution of love feels like the impulse of creation inside me for life purpose, for expression of potential, joins with love, with the force of the Universe itself in it, as it is in every person when we say yes to the impulse, there’s a big yes in here. If you get an impulse and you say well maybe or I don’t think so, it won’t happen. That’s where freedom exists.

The evolution of love is by saying yes to the impulse of love in you to be outrageous. To go the whole way with it and that’s a free choice of every single person.

So the evolution of love has to do with the freedom to choose to say yes to the impulse of love within yourself and to be wise enough also to know in what direction that love is to go. It’s not just to be love in a totally expansive way for everyone and everything. Everyone has a unique aspect of the evolution of love, which is the evolution of I think of it as our soul’s code like we’re almost born to give certain gifts to the world.

Marc: What I would call it a Unique Self.

Barbara: Unique Self gift; and when you get anywhere near finding that unique impulse in you to give, it’s love, but it’s uniquely your love. It’s not somebody else’s love. And if you get anywhere close to the unique love that is yours to give and you say yes to it, then it seems that something takes over your life; and synchronicities start happening. You begin to find exactly what you need coming up, which is like the Prigogine model where a system is dysfunctional and innovations occur and the Universe is structured for the innovations to connect with each other.

Marc: In the Prigogine model if you’re just tuning in now, Barbara talked about it last week in podcast seven.

Barbara: He won a Nobel Prize to understand how nature goes from disorder to higher order for billions of years.

Marc: Against entropy, against the forces of disorder.

Barbara: And because in a closed system, entropy inevitably increases. We’re obviously not in a closed system an entropy is not increasing. Syntropy is increasing. So something is happening in there which actually is the force of creation moving. But when you get to the evolution of love and you realize that love is the impulse of creation itself in you, specifically as you, and you say yes to it, something starts to turn on in you that is I would say the impulse of evolution as love and it starts to guide you.

You start to know which way to go. You start to find the people you need like I found you or you found me. I don’t know how this happened. I can’t even remember because synchronicity starts coming in and Carl Jung thought that synchronicity was one of the great forces of the Universe because there’s a design in here.

Marc: There’s an intelligence.

Barbara: There’s an intelligence and here’s what happens when you say yes to the evolution of [0:08:00] love and you start saying yes to your life purpose. More synchronicities happen to you because you’re going up the ladder of the yes to giving more love and so nature starts to connect you with other and bigger things, what you need in order to fulfill your unique, divine destiny and then you get energized. And what we’re talking about here we mentioned last time the politics of love.

Marc: Let’s hold it there. Let’s not go there yet.

Barbara: No, but I’m not going there yet. I’m just stating that the politics of love comes from this.

Marc: Yes.

Barbara: I’m not jumping into… But without this you don’t have the politics of love.

Marc: Right. So this is right, right, right. With you. Yes.

Barbara: Does that make sense?

Marc: That makes sense. It’s like beyond awesome. Awesome is the new outrageous. No. Wrong. Outrageous is the new awesome. So ready? So I asked Barbara about the evolution of love. I’m starting to talk in the third person.

Barbara: That’s alright.

Marc: So I asked you about the evolution of love and what you described was the apex or close, but not the apex, but close to the apex, close to the highest expression of the evolution of love which is when the human being awakens and realizes Barbara is an irreducibly unique expression of evolutionary love, Barbara is an irreducibly unique expression of the evolutionary love and intelligence and she begins to naturally enact, commit outrageous acts of love as her unique self. Answering and fulfilling your unique self-code. So then you begin to participate in the evolution of love. You get it?

Now before we talk I want to say a lot about this and Barbara you described it so gorgeously. I want to go one step back. Ok? What is the evolution of love itself before we talk about participating in the evolution of love?

The evolution of love itself is something really simple. When quarks are allured to other quarks, it’s for the most part unconscious. It’s not chosen, it’s instinctive. Then, it awakens, love awakens in plants and there’s a whole literature on the erotic life of plants. Now they don’t date. They don’t go on dating sites. They don’t get divorced. But there’s more awareness, more sentience, more awake, more aliveness in plants than there are in quarks. And of course from quarks to plants is a big jump, but there’s more and more sentience which means more and more aliveness, more and more interiority, more and more consciousness, all the way up.

So love is awakening. It’s evolving. It’s evolving. If we jumped to the world of animals in the mammals then there’s now in relationships. Love’s evolving even more. There’s more caring, more concern. We then just to the human world and humans begin to take care of each other on a whole new way. Tribes are formed. The tribes are not only blood ties, they’re beyond blood ties. So tribes are formed and ultimately beyond tribes. Nations are formed where people subscribe to a shared set of ideas and they love each other. And then we move beyond that. Different nations begin to love each other.

So if we would actually track the trajectory of the evolution of love, it means that love, that force of synergy; synergy meaning coming together and forming larger wholes, of recognition, of mutuality, of union and embrace, that force of connectivity that gets more and more internally connected and then we start taking care of each other more and more. Now I’m going to say this is a really simple way and then we’re going to get right back into what Barbara said. Ok? Here’s the simple way. So we get what the evolution of love is and we don’t skip steps. Here’s the evolution of love at the human level. I’m talking about the evolution of love now at the human level. Let’s say we’ve jumped from quarks to human beings. We’ve gotten all the love’s evolved and now it’s broken out in human beings.

So I’m a human being and I have ego-centric love. I love myself, my mother, my wife, my four kids, and the people who help me survive. That’s egocentric love. That is most people’s love. Our love lists are very short. So at egocentric we love the people that help us survive. Ok?

Then I move and I expand my circle of love and I now have sociocentric or ethnocentric love which means simply I love my whole tribe whether it’s my whole religion or my whole nation or my whole tribe, the whole gang. Not just the people that directly help me survive, so I’ve now expanded my circle of love. Love is evolving. It’s expanding.

Then, level three I now love every human being on the face of the planet. Not just my circle and my tribe. That’s not just ethno-centric love; ethno my ethnicity or my religion, my nation, my peeps. I’m now loving every human being. That’s world-centric love. So love is evolving.

Then, Barbara then jumped to stage four so gorgeously; then I go from world-centric love to Cosmocentric love where I actually identify as evolution awakening as me. Love incarnates, love intelligence incarnates as me, and the evolutionary impulse of all of reality becomes awake as Barbara. And reality is having a Barbara experience and Barbara as the evolutionary impulse of love begins to act in the world.

When that happens, then new synchronicities, new attractions, new realities, new political structures. Because Barbara is not just loving every human being she is love itself. She’s awakened as outrageous evolutionary love. She becomes the force of the Cosmos itself is now Barbara-ing. Is now acting as Barbara which is the ultimate incarnation that we know of, of the evolution of love which is I think is what you were referring to.

Barbara: Very true and what I’m seeing as you say this is that every human being alive has the opportunity to incarnate as like you were saying Barbara-ing, whatever their name is. Every one of us, every listener to this, everybody on this planet has the opportunity to make that yes.

Marc: Yes.

Barbara: And how do you get to the yes? It’s the impulse inside you pressing you to create. Pressing you to love. And everybody has that to some degree. And if you go beyond the ethnocentric, your family and your tribe, and then your planetary…

Marc: Of course worldcentric, every human being and then planetary centric.

Barbara: Planetary centric, but this is something we really have to see. It becomes intensely personal. You see, the word planetary or Cosmocentric sounds so trans-personal but what I’m noticing is intimately, it’s personal. And the person who says yes to this scale of the larger pattern gets to be more personal all the time.

Marc: So, this is beautiful. It’s the most beautiful and critical point and it’s a paradox. As I expand I don’t disappear. It gets more intimate and more personal. Now, how this works, how it can be that I awake as the Universe having a Barbara experience… We’re here with our good friend Norman who’s an artist and a film maker. So the Universe is having a Norman experience. The Universe is having a Michael Bernard Beckwith experience although he hasn’t yet appeared here, right? The Universe is having a Marc Gafni experience, right? So when the Universe is verbing as Marc I’m not [0:16:00] just loving every human being, I’m loving everything. I am love itself. I’m being lived as love. Not ordinary love. I’m being lived as outrageous love. I awaken as an outrageous lover which isn’t about who I’m having sex with. It’s about how I’m loving every moment open as the evolutionary force itself. So this is the highest expression of the evolution of love.

Now Barbara, you say something so critical at the end I think we should dedicate our next podcast to that which is you say tell me if I got it right and I’m completely with you… that as you awaken as evolutionary love, as Cosmocentric, planetary-centric, outrageous love, you don’t disappear. You don’t become a cog in a machine. It gets super personal, super intimate. You actually count more than you ever did. You matter more than you ever did. So that is, that idea is the basic structure in creating the politics of outrageous love. And that’s what we’re going to talk about next week.

Barbara: It’s so true. It’s just one last word on becoming personal as evolutionary, Cosmo-centric love. We have talked about the evolution of the person. When anybody anywhere in the world says yes to this, they attract to them this potential. And since the Universe is designed to go in this direction, it’s not like we’re making this up and making it happen, but the yes, I just want to end on the power of the yes:

To that impulse within you to say yes to that which you want to express love and give and let it go as broad as you can. You then attract the power of the Universe inside yourself because it’s the direction if you want to put it in these terms that the Universe wants to go. You become an expression of the direction in the Universe is attempting to go in. And then something new happens to you and I think that’s evolution of humanity.

Marc: That’s the evolution of humanity. That’s becoming the new human.

Barbara: I think so.

Marc: That’s the evolution of love. That’s the regeneration. That’s the newness that happens as you age you actually become new:.. and all of this, all of this is next week in podcast next week number…

Barbara: Nine.

Marc: Nine. Wow. We’re up to number nine. The next week is politics of outrageous love part two. Barbara?

Barbara: Yes.

Marc: Love you.

Barbara: Yes. Yes, I love you too.

Marc: Are you sure?

Barbara: I do.

Marc: Do you believe her?

Norman: She said it.

Marc: She said it. Ok. Good. Love you all. Ok. Next week politics of outrageous love part two coming at you.

From the Dialogue

Barbara Marx Hubbard: I think we’re at just the moment in our history as humanity when there are enough innovations and innovative people, loving people that we are connecting more and more rapidly every day. We have a communication system, we have the internet, we have a thinking layer of Earth to connect us and one of the things that we’re doing here with this whole series is to help connect the people who would like to tip the system to the higher order. And since it’s at a tipping point, you don’t know one more person in the right direction of the tipping point it goes.

Marc Gafni: Right and that’s so awesome and it’s so outrageous. Outrageous is the new awesome. When you have an evolutionary relationship to life, your experience is that your next act of awakening as outrageous love and creatively living that outrageous love and enacting it in the world can actually tip the entire system.

Watch and listen to the dialogue and read the transcript below:

Transcript

Marc: Here we are at week seven The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love Podcasts. So, here we go.

We talked last week about outrageous love. And outrageous love is evolutionary love. It’s the love that moves the whole process that awakens in a human being. And we said we live in a world of outrageous pain because you can’t talk about the Universe as a love story and ignore outrageous pain. And we’re going to spend somewhere between two and four or five podcasts talking about how pain and suffering how do we understand them in the context of The Universe: A Love Story.

Just like in a relationship when there’s pain and suffering. How do I deal with the pain and suffering in the context of a love relationship? What does that mean? And we’re not going to give any easy answers or any kind of blind faith assumptions and no new-age kind of panaceas. We’re going to look very deeply about how we hold pain and suffering, creation and destruction, in the context of a love story. So we’re going to get to all of that. But this week we’re going to touch it for the first time, which is we live in a world of outrageous pain we said last week. The only response to outrageous pain is outrageous love.

So what does that mean? That means when we confront outrageous pain, it’s overwhelming. How do you respond to outrageous pain? How do you respond to eight hundred thousand people in Rwanda being killed in a hundred days in a horrific massacre? And everyone listening knows that I could go on and on. In the twentieth century alone there were seven genocides. Samantha Power wrote an incredibly important book called A Problem from Hell: Genocide in the Twentieth Century. So how do we respond to outrageous pain?

The way we respond generally is we close our hearts. We close our hearts not because we’re bad people, not because we’re lost in our Ego, not because we’re narcissistic or materialistic or sinful or self-involved which are the usual reasons given, but for precisely the opposite reason. We close our hearts because we care so much because it hurts so much. And the gap between our ability to feel the pain and our ability to heal the pain is too great. So when we try and take small love, ordinary love and apply ordinary love, the Egoic strategy of longing and comfort and apply that to outrageous pain, it doesn’t work.

You’ve got to be able to access outrageous love which is the movement towards healing and transformation and the movement towards more and more care that moves through the Cosmos. You’ve got to align with that force in order to get the creativity, the energy, the potency, the power to begin to address it in any way whatsoever, outrageous pain. Only big heart, only the outrageous love of reality itself can actually empower me to in some sense engage outrageous pain. So let’s start there.

Barbara: You know one of the things I’ve noticed is that the process of creation has put freedom in the system. It is not a robotic Universe. It isn’t as though a God said we’re going to go through all of this and was consciously creating all these situations. It looks like it’s a groping effort toward higher consciousness, greater freedom, and more complex order. There’s a grope in there. There’s a [Inaudible, 0:04:06] tapping like a blind person for ways to do it and in that process of groping for higher order and greater consciousness and freedom, there’s been a lot of breakdowns and failures. Just like failures in our personal lives.

It’s not a one way street here. So when you get up to human suffering and you think of it not as a robotic Universe, but as a Universe that put freedom in the system, it seems to me what’s happening is that we are becoming aware that we have the freedom to destroy or create and there is no God whose going to make us be good so that this outrageous love becomes a necessity to give us the courage to handle the freedom of destroying or creating which our species has given to itself by its brilliance.

So I’m this may sound unclear to you, but I think that the fact that there’s freedom in the system as we go higher and higher order means that their so called evil has been this groping for higher order and all the destructiveness that has come from that. And what’s happening among people like ourselves now is that it’s no longer tolerable to feel all this suffering so we are about to be changing the political system outer which the suffering is coming a lot of the hunger, the disease, the poverty is coming from the way we’re running the system.

Marc: So let’s just… there’s so much important in there so let’s start from the beginning.

Freedom in the system. Ok? So you’re in a love relationship, right? And you think your partner has no choice but to love you. So do you feel love? No. Because you only feel loved if your partner chooses you. And so often in a relationship when choice falls away and it becomes coercive or compulsory or automatic, then love withers and dies.

So in some sense when we open up the eye of the spirit, the eye of the heart, which is a perceptive faculty that tells us about the interior of ourselves and of reality, we begin to realize that the intelligence of reality needs us as it were to be free. Because the Universe is a love story, right? And it is because the Universe is a love story and it seeks love, it seeks higher and higher levels of care, higher and higher levels of loving. Love is only possible when there’s freedom. Love and control are opposites. And so if I love you I’ve got to be willing to step back and allow you freedom to choose even if you choose against me. Because without that, there’s no love.

And in some sense, the intelligence of reality allows reality to find its way. It allows reality to grow. It allows reality to make mistakes, it allows reality to be free, and in some sense if you even want to say it this way, just to kind of grasp it poetically because there’s things that we have to grasp. We grasp interiors often to the eye of the spirit, the literate eye, the eye of the heart trying to feel our way in. Not that it’s because it’s not true knowledge because it is true knowledge. It’s true knowledge that we get through feeling our way in.

We realize that if reality is betrothing us as it were, it’s saying with this ring I set [0:08:00] you free. And allowing for freedom, we invite love. So paradoxically, the very fact of reality moving towards higher levels of freedom where we’re invited to choose love is actually an expression of The Universe: A Love Story.

Barbara: This is true and since we have more and more power to destroy today than ever before like thermo-nuclear weapons. Even four or five of them could destroy our whole environment and we have thousands of them. That freedom to build those thermo-nuclear weapons has given us the absolute directive to have greater outrageous love or self-destruct. And we’ve been able to self-destruct on small scales all throughout history. But never has our species been able to self-destruct the whole system as well as all life on Earth. So we have been given the ultimate freedom to destroy or create in this generation.

Marc: Which is an expression itself of the Universe as a love story.

Barbara: So if I were God, I would say that this is the moment that I’ve been waiting for to see if on this little planet a species has enough people within it to say yes to outrageous love, yes to the impulse of creation for innovation, creativity, and solutions to all these problems; yes to changing the political system to a system of co-creation. This is I’m sitting here waiting to see can we do this? And I think the whole message of what we’re saying is yes we can because it is the direction of evolution and I believe there are enough of us who already know this.

So we need to understand the structure in which we could connect. You call it a universal self-symphony. I’ve called it a planetary Pentecost where enough of us connect with spirit from within with our unique gift to give to shift the whole system. How many people does that take? We don’t know.

Marc: Yea. This is so beautiful and so necessary and so radical. So I just wanted to kind of again take it slow. Let’s kind of see where we are. So if enough of us choose outrageous love, if we awaken as outrageous love, we can begin to enact a politics of outrageous love. We can only choose outrageous love freely. It’s a free choice. We have greater capacity for destruction that we’ve ever had because we’ve created new technologies.

New technologies are actually forms of love. This is really critical to understand. New technologies are forms of connectivity. There’s new connections. There’s new creations. There’s new mutuality’s that are happening. There’s new embraces. That’s what technology is. So technology is actually love. It’s new attractions creating new births because whenever you have a new attraction you birth something new, that’s what technology is. Technology is love. But if we actually if it actually loses its connection to source it can be used for un-love, for destruction in the most horrific sense.

And so there’s an urgent need to choose outrageous love in a way that there never was before. And when we choose outrageous love, we can create… if enough of use choose outrageous love we create a unique self-symphony which you call planetary Pentecost in religious terms meaning we create a tipping point in reality in which a new consciousness begins to emerge that actually deconstructs what’s not working and creatively constructs new visions of polis, of politics. New visions of economics, new visions of the very basic structures of life itself because outrageous love is creative, it’s imaginative, it reimagines reality. Ok?

So we’ve got to talk about how this works really carefully so it doesn’t sound kind of Pollyannaish, pie in the sky. This is actually part structured, clear politics here. Politics of outrageous love. I think that’s what we’re going to talk about next time, but do you have any closing before we…

Barbara: Well I do. If you think of this the whole tendency in nature toward disorder which things break up and they don’t suddenly put themselves together at a higher order. How does this happen? For billions of years we’ve been going from entropy which….

Marc: Is the tendency towards disorder.

Barbara: Disorder to higher order.

Marc: How does that happen?

Barbara: So here’s how it happens according to Ilia Prigogine who won the Nobel Prize for this and I’ll just say it in the most simple terms to unpack it later. When a system gets dysfunctional in disordered, it uses more of its energy in handling its own disorders. Meanwhile, innovations pop up everywhere in health, in education, in economics, in energy, in science and technology. And there’s a tendency of innovations to interact with each other. While the system is dysfunctional down here, we are little innovative specks of dust, but we’re coming together out of allurement and the nature of nature is there’s enough interaction by attraction of innovations and the system cooperates in its own self-transcendence.

I think we’re at just the moment in our history as humanity when there are enough innovations and innovative people, loving people that we are connecting more and more rapidly every day. We have a communication system, we have the internet, we have a thinking layer of Earth to connect us and one of the things that we’re doing here with this whole series is to help connect the people who would like to tip the system to the higher order. And since it’s at a tipping point, you don’t know one more person in the right direction of the tipping point it goes.

Marc: Right and that’s so awesome and it’s so outrageous. Outrageous is the new awesome. When you have an evolutionary relationship to life, your experience is that your next act of awakening as outrageous love and creatively living that outrageous love and enacting it in the world can actually tip the entire system.

Now, just before we finish, let’s just talk for one more second so people really can break it down. So this idea of autopoiesis which is the name, one of the names given to what Barbara’s describing. Let’s just talk about it a little bit so people can get it before you bring in politics in the world, just kind of how does it work simply? So you have a system that disequilibrium meaning a system that’s not in balance with itself, it’s out of balance and then at a point of disorder, there are dimensions in the system which create new integrations…

Barbara: Innovations yes and mutations.

Marc: Mutations create in biological terms you’ve got particular expressions that are called mutations which create new innovation and the system jumps to a higher level of order.

Barbara: Yes because it tends by allurement to attract. Now why are you and I together?

Marc: Before we make the jump, so this thing, this process that Barbara’s describing it happens at the physical level is also happening at the societal level. That’s the key idea.

Barbara: That’s the key idea and I think in the next podcast we should [0:16:00] really talk about the evolution of politics as the attraction of innovative people, creative people everywhere on Earth; anyone anywhere on Earth. We could become a planetary culture.

Marc: So part of the evolution of love is actually to develop a politics of outrageous love that begins to enact a planetary culture. What does that mean? Is that pie in the sky? Is that where does that strange? Or is that the natural trajectory of evolution itself, of love itself evolving? We’re going to get to that soon. Have an awesome week. Thank you Barbara. Love you.

Barbara: That’s great.

Marc: Total. Do you love me?

Barbara: I do.

Marc: Ok. Just checking.

From the dialogue:

Barbara: Every person on this Earth was created by this entire billions of years, the Universe in person, and the internal interior of our love beyond just our immediate family and so forth is a love that starts expanding out there. And when it expands out there there’s nowhere for it to stop. And it also goes backward to the origins of creation. And even more, Marc, it goes the fact we’re one tiny little planet in the Universe of billions of planet and billions of galaxies.

So if you want to really get into outrageous love, you have to allow yourself to experience all of this. Then, when I have a loving feeling towards somebody and it’s outrageous love, it’s actually almost overwhelmingly strong and beautiful and it powers me to do more, be more, be more love more and I’m eighty-five years old. Now you might think that’s old. I used to think eighty-five sounded like dead.

Marc: You’re not looking too dead to me. What do you think?

Barbara: Not too dead. You know what I think is doing it? Outrageous love. Because outrageous love is so energizing, so energetic, so empowering to the person feeling it and when you see you have no limits to the amount of love you want to give, there’s no limit to it, then you get to grow into what we’re calling a new human.

Marc: This is so wildly ecstatic and so important. The idea that Barbara’s describing, that you’re describing Love that we can awaken as outrageous love. And that actually makes us not older, how do you say it? Newer every day.

Watch this sixth in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni:

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome to week six of The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts with the inestimably beautiful Barbara Marx Hubbard.

So we’re in week six and we are talking about evolutionary love and we’re talking about evolution having a direction and that direction is a movement towards more and more love. Another way to say it would be evolution moves towards higher and higher levels of goodness, truth, and beauty. Now that’s not because there’s a puppeteer pulling the strings, there’s an inherent creativity in the Cosmos and that inherent creativity Stuart Kauffman talks about an inherent, ceaseless creativity. Stuart Kauffman is one of the complexity chaos theorist Cosmologists; really one of the brilliant thinkers writing today.

Alfred North Whitehead talks about the creative advance of novelty – newness. There’s this inherent movement in the Cosmos towards more and more creativity, towards more and more goodness, towards more and more truth. We know more and more. There’s more and more goodness. We take care of each other more and more or at least we have the capacity to and that for the most part we did. And when we don’t, we actually notice that’s a problem more and more. So two thousand years ago if you lost X amount of people in a battle or whatever that’s just what happens. It’s not a problem. Today the individual dignity of every human life is now becoming across more and more of the planet. Not all of it, but across more and more of the planet given because the more a person’s consciousness evolves, the more the individual dignity of the human being matters and then what we begin to realize that it’s a tragedy when we lose lives. So that’s evolution awakening to itself.

We get to realize there’s tragedy and it’s a process of evolution moving towards more goodness, more truth, more beauty, more choice, more freedom. That’s the trajectory of evolution and to track it we’ve got to look over the entire story. We’ve got to become aware of the evolutionary story to actually begin to see oh that’s what happened. It’s kind of like in our lives when you look back over the last thirty years you begin to see the patterns and as long as you’re stuck in today you can’t see any patterns.

Barbara: I’d like to just make a…. in here. In order to understand the direction of evolution you need evolutionary eyes. Now evolutionary eyes is you happen to stand up somewhat of an overview and imagine the origin of creation, those first three seconds, and see it as an evolutionary process or spiral from billions of years going right to you. And then but you can’t do it if you have a just short historical time frame. You have to get the billions of years to catch this direction and most people don’t have evolutionary eyes. And I think one of the things that can come out of this is gaining an overview perspective on our story. Otherwise, you won’t see it.

Marc: So we begin, that’s really what you were describing, Barbara, to live in an evolutionary context.

Barbara: That’s right. And that means you have a ways of seeing and understanding reality as having taken these billions of years to get to right where we are.

Marc: We live in an evolutionary context in the beginning to have an evolutionary relationship to life. And we begin to realize that the movement of love, the movement towards more and more care, more and more goodness, more and more truth, more and more beauty and more and more creativity… action becomes awake in us. And we become aware of the fact that we can choose truth and we can choose beauty and we can choose goodness and actually evolution itself is awakening in us. And we become the trajectory of evolution awakening to itself and if we awake to more love, then evolutionary love is driving the process forward as us.

Barbara: That’s correct. So when I feel more love in myself and I then sense that I’m getting that from the trajectory of evolution itself, that love in me expands because I feel courageous. You call it outrageous love because the whole story is outrageous. The origin of the Universe is outrageous.

Marc: Well let’s go to outrageous.

Barbara: You want to go to us outrageous love.

Marc: Let’s go to outrageous. Outrageous is the new awesome. Outrageous is the new extraordinary.

So let’s say it like this:

We’ve used the word evolutionary love up until now, we’re going to introduce a new term. Outrageous love. And here’s the statement. We live in a world of outrageous pain. The only response to outrageous pain is outrageous love.

What do we mean by outrageous love? We know what we mean by outrageous pain. Right? Seventeen thousand children dying every day of starvation or starvation-related diseases. Thirty-five million people in the world today in sexual and labor trade slavery. And the list goes on and on. So we live in a world of outrageous pain. The only response to outrageous pain is outrageous love. So before we talk about how outrageous love responds to outrageous pain, ok? Let’s talk about what outrageous love is.

What’s outrageous love? Outrageous love it what we’ve been talking about all along. Evolutionary love. And evolutionary love, outrageous love isn’t ordinary love. Ordinary love means that small self me sees you and you seem to form a similar image to my early caretakers and so I feel kind of this instinctive arousal because I want to complete some unfinished business with my early caretakers so I feel like wow I love you. And you’re going to take care of me the way my early caretakers did. So I fall in love with you, I’m all aroused and we finally get together and it dies off fairly quickly.

So ordinary love is a strategy of the Ego, it’s instinctive, it’s an emotion, it’s a human emotion, and it’s usually the human emotion of falling in love or it’s the human emotion of affection, but it’s affection for a very narrow group of people. Let me re-summarize that ok? So we’ll get ordinary love down here. Ok? Then we’ll distinguish outrageous love and then off to Barbara, ok? So ordinary love is

  • a human experience,
  • it’s the human experience of a small cell seeking protection.
  • It’s an experience of the Ego seeking security and comfort,
  • it’s usually an emotional experience,
  • it’s usually a particular emotional experience the experience of falling in love which then dies away very fast because of the experience of infactuation, and
  • even when it lasts beyond infatuation and falling in love, you only really have this experience of ordinary love for a very small group of people.

Now, those small group of people are beautiful and falling in love is awesome, but that’s a very limited understanding of love.

What we’ve been talking about this entire conversation is outrageous love, evolutionary love, and outrageous love is what Dante talked about when he talked about a love that moves the sun and the stars. Outrageous love is what Tagore talked about when he said love is not mere sentiment, it’s not mere human sentiment, it’s the heart of [0:08:00] existence itself.

So everything we’ve talked about in the first five podcasts, The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts is not about ordinary love. It’s about outrageous love. Now last sentence and then Barbara takes the next step. That doesn’t mean that outrageous love is only moving the evolutionary process. What does it matter to me about that? Why is this relevant? Why is this compelling? Why is this critical to know? Because when I awaken, I realize that outrageous love is awakening in me.

So I can access in my relationships, in my job, in my work, in my creativity, in my life I can access not just ordinary love which comes and goes and it’s limited. I can actually access in my Self the evolutionary impulse awakening in me which is outrageous love awakening in me which is infinitely more powerful than any ordinary love could possibly give me. We’re going to talk more about it, but you get the distinction? So you can either awaken as outrageous love, the same love that moves the sun and the stars, makes Barbara and Marc love each other; not because we’re being drawn and allured to each other, but the same force that caused quarks to come together. Oh my Goddess.

Barbara: Well. Yes. Outrageous love in some deep way is the recognition that the entire story of creation from the origin of the Universe to us sitting here is such an extraordinary miracle. It is such an amazing, miraculous creation that when I really ground that into myself as it being a love story then what’s been happening to me actually in my life is the feeling that I am the Universe in person loving. It’s an amazing feeling.

Marc: That’s outrageous love.

Barbara: That is because if I am the Universe in person as everyone is. Every person on this Earth was created by this entire billions of years, the Universe in person, and the internal interior of our love beyond just our immediate family and so forth is a love that starts expanding out there. And when it expands out there there’s nowhere for it to stop. And it also goes backward to the origins of creation. And even more Marc, it goes the fact we’re one tiny little planet in the Universe of billions of planet and billions of galaxies.

So if you want to really get into outrageous love, you have to allow yourself to experience all of this. Then, when I have a loving feeling towards somebody and it’s outrageous love, it’s actually almost overwhelmingly strong and beautiful and it powers me to do more, be more, be more love more and I’m eighty-five years old. Now you might think that’s old. I used to think eighty-five sounded like dead.

Marc: You’re not looking too dead to me. What do you think?

Barbara: Not too dead. You know what I think is doing it? Outrageous love. Because outrageous love is so energizing, so energetic, so empowering to the person feeling it and when you see you have no limits to the amount of love you want to give, there’s no limit to it, then you get to grow into what we’re calling a new human.

Marc: This is so wildly ecstatic and so important. The idea that Barbara’s describing, that you’re describing Love that we can awaken as outrageous love. And that actually makes us not older, how do you say it? Newer every day.

Barbara: Newer every day because the Universe is evolving through each of us.

Marc: Now watch for a second here. This is critical, ok? So this is a huge understanding.

We’re going to take it slow.

So outrageous love is the love that moves the sun and the stars. One.

Two, the trajectory of evolution is the movement towards higher and higher levels of emergence, of novelty.

Emergence means something new.

A plant is new, it’s beyond a multi-cellular organism. An early animal is new, is beyond a plant. A mammal with breathing lungs is new beyond an animal, a human being walking erect and being able to reflect on herself or himself is new. And then within the human world we grow up to higher and higher levels of consciousness and each level (and we’ll talk about these levels later on) this is all newness. So the movement of evolutionary love, the movement of outrageous love is a movement to higher and higher levels of newness.

Now if in my life I experience love as an ordinary love, it’s a human Ego emotion of the separate Self struggling to comfort itself and survive. That emotion dies away very fast. It recedes, and I just get older. But if I awaken as outrageous love because what’s actually moving in me is the same force that moves evolution and the evolutionary impulse, the ecstatic impulse of outrageous love awakens in me, then I actually get newer.

Barbara: You get newer, you get outrageous.

Marc: You get more outrageous. You get more outrageous, you get more alive, you get more creative, you get wiser, and you begin to actually create a completely different life.

Barbara: There is a quality that’s quite amazing which I’m calling regeneration. And I had an experience the other day I was talking about the fact of outrageous love creates a sense that you’re getting newer. It’s really not even regeneration. But you feel… you don’t feel tired. You feel full of life, you feel excited.

And so there was a cell biologist listening to me talk and it was at the Agape, at Michael Beckwith’s church and he said when you use the word regeneration and outrageous love I could tell your cells got it and curled. His image was that my cells were curling with some kind of vibration because from an interior position I was feeling regeneration and outrageous love as a potent force and my cells were hearing this, were responding to this, and that’s really what happens.

Marc: Yea, that’s really what happens and Barbara’s referring to that’s exactly what happens and Barbara’s referring to a talk that Barbara and I gave together at the Agape International Center in 2015 or 2014 and if you take a look at the link in the email that you got today with this podcast, you’ll see a link to that talk where we talked about outrageous love and how it moves through us and some of its stages. (Notes from the Editors: See below)

So ordinary love, beautiful, but it’s not going to take you home. Outrageous love, the love that moves the sun and the stars, that’s the love that all the poets wrote about. Does that mean that outrageous love is not human? Well it is human. It is a human experience when the human being awakens as outrageous love. As long as I don’t awaken as outrageous love, I remain asleep. I remain separate from all that is, I remain separate from evolution. [0:16:00] I’m trying to live my small narrow narcissistic life and I’m not aware that evolution is awakening in me and that I am evolution in person, I am evolution coming awake as me, and I connect myself to larger evolutionary context. When that happens I connect into outrageous love. Wow.

Barbara: And outrageous love creates newness.

Marc: And outrageous love creates newness.

Barbara: It does.

Marc: It does.

Barbara: Every day.

Marc: Every day.

Next week. That was week six. Week six, Outrageous Love, The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts. Next week, week seven we go deeper into the principles of outrageous love, how it plays in our life, and how it creates politics of outrageous love.

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Marc Gafni & Barbara Marx Hubbard Workshop at Agape 2015

Watch this fifth in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni:

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome everyone. We are here in week five.

So what we’re going to do is last week the topic of last week was evolutionary love which is really a key component in getting the fact that the Universe is a love story which is driving the process is evolutionary love. Sometimes it’s called the fifth force of the Universe beyond the electromagnetic, the gravitational, the strong, and the weak. The fifth force of the Universe, the fifth force which explains why the Universe didn’t stop at hydrogen. Why didn’t it stop at basal elements? Why didn’t it stop at planets? Why didn’t it stop at amoebas? Why didn’t it stop at early plants? What’s driving the process forward?

Alfred North Whitehead one of our favorite philosophers of Barbara and I describes reality and he says one of the key properties of reality is what he calls the creative advance of novelty meaning love is driving the process forward. Evolutionary love is driving the process forward and evolutionary love is creating love is creative, it’s creating more and more love. So it means it creates more and more complex organisms which means there’s much more interconnectivity.

A human being has fifty-trillion cells gorgeously loving each other; each knowing what to do living in this big huge love community. That’s what a human being is. So that is a very high level of love which doesn’t exist in an amoeba. What drives the process from an amoeba to a human being? Love. Right? Love drives the process. What’s driving the process? Evolutionary love. That’s what we talked about last week.

Now we’ve gotten like three or four really important questions. And Barbara, I’m going to put the first one to you from people who have been listening and basically what people are saying is we are loving this and so we’re totally appreciating the huge amount of response, so thank you, thank you, thank you. And we’re delighted by that and we interact with that and it just you know makes us more alive and more in love. And we want to really respond to some of the questions.

So here’s question one, Barbara that you and I looked at when it came in which is Barbara you said that the Universe being a love story means that evolution itself has values. So what of that to love, what are those values? Explain a little more.

Barbara: Well if the Universe goes from the quarks to the electrons to the protons to the amoebas all the way on up to you and me sitting here which is took 13.8 billion years to produce this event of us sitting here. The value that I would hold is the value of consciousness, of freedom, of the ability to love and even deeper than that the ability to create. If this whole process of evolution could be called a creative endeavor of the highest genius and I feel myself in my own little impulse to create…

Marc: Not so little, but ok.

Barbara: To actually be drawing from the creative intention of the Universe for billions of years going to higher order, I begin to feel that my intention which might seem totally insignificant as a little person in the billions of humans, no. I’m feeling because it’s drawing from that impulse in evolution itself. My intention, your intention, everybody’s intention is drawing from the creative intention of the Universe, particularly if it’s going toward higher consciousness, greater freedom, more complex order.

Now if it’s going towards control, domination, and destruction, it’s actually there’s a lot of destruction in the Universe and I’d like to bring that up to make this distinction. Billions of species are extinct before we got here. The Universe as a love story is not kind in the sense that it’s extremely selective as to what’s capable of evolving to a higher consciousness and freedom. And what is so fascinating to me is that right now as we’re discovering the trajectory of love, we’re also discovering we could destroy ourselves as a species along with many other species we’re already destroying.

So the quality of love actually is a quality for survival because if we don’t learn this now, if we don’t learn that the direction of evolution is to greater consciousness, freedom, and order we could be one of those species that’s becoming extinct. The only difference is we know it.

Marc: Ok so this is all so important so let’s go step at a time. So we can kind of swallow this step at a time, ok? So let’s unpack here together, ok?

So the first thing that we’re saying and that you said so beautifully, Barbara, is before we get to the extinction which is a whole other conversation, so let’s just start with the beginning. So the beginning is the question that came in was what did you mean when you said that evolution has values that are awakening in us?

So what that means you explained now so beautifully and Barbara and I are completely aligned in this. So it doesn’t matter who’s talking. We’re in the same conversation.

What that means is that the value of consciousness, becoming aware, the intention. I have intention. I want to do something with my life. The value of creativity, the value of being more loving, the value of being nurturing. All those value of having more good, more truth, more beauty. All the values that we hold are not just the values of Marc, little small-self Marc or the ballads of small self Barbara as separate selves disconnected from everything but those values are inherent in reality itself. Reality is not neutral.

Barbara: That’s a key point.

Marc:  Right? Reality is not neutral, so reality is creative. That’s the first fact. The first fact we know about reality is it’s creative. It’s not static eternal. Reality is always creating newness and that newness always has more love in it. It’s more interconnected internally, it’s more capable of loving and caring for externally. An amoeba to a dog. I keep coming back to that example just because it’s an easy way to get it to make it concrete.

So the values of reality, the move towards more caring, more love, more concern, more embrace, more interconnectivity, more union are built into the structure of reality itself. Reality’s driven by the fifth force of reality, evolutionary love. And here’s the key point you make Barbara which is like the key point of ten key points.

The first key point you make is that those values then awaken in us. [0:08:00]

So a quark, right? A quark has some and basically in thought today a quark has some now here’s a really fancy word don’t get caught on it, prehension. Meaning a quark has some sense of an interior but tis’ barely glimmering. A quark is mostly automatic, mostly unconscious, mostly instinctive. That’s just it’s moving. There’s what we call blind forces.

Now there’s an overall intelligence within the process but a rock you don’t give someone a devastating punishment for breaking a rock. Because a rock doesn’t have that level of interior depth to be murdered. You can murder a human being. You can’t murder a rock. Why? Because a human being has more interiority. It has more inside depth. It as it has more feeling. It has more consciousness than a rock. So that’s what we mean by there’s more conscious, meaning there’s more interiority.

So when quarks come together and atoms come together, it’s unconscious to a large extent; virtually almost totally unconscious. So the value of Eros, of love, of coming together the allurement, the attraction that draws the physical properties together and ultimately that awakens as a cell and then draws cells together to create higher and higher forms of life is there’s a larger and intelligence moving it, but within every specific expression along the way, along the evolutionary chain, mitosis, myosis, cells splitting, plants evolving but it’s all happening according to the interior structure.

A plant doesn’t say let me evolve today. It’s an interior let’s use this as just a general word now. Instinctive. I mean it’s not individual, it’s this overall larger intelligence running the whole process. But those values of coming together of mutuality, of recognition, of union, of love and of embrace, those come awake in Barbara and Marc in which we chose to love.

Barbara: Well we’re able to stand outside it just enough to see it.

Marc:  Just enough to see it.

Barbara: And when we see it we be it if I may say so.

Marc: Right. We choose to be it.

Barbara: We choose to be it and we’re instinctively I would say in our better nature. Our better nature instinctively goes towards empathy. It goes towards love, it goes towards caring. Even though we behave terribly there is a very deep instinctive behavior as the newborn baby in the mother’s arms.

Marc: But we choose. We have the choice, yes. Tell me if my and is right to make sure we’re saying the same thing. And we get to choose that instinct.

Barbara: We get to choose the instinct and we feel that the process is on the side of that choice. And it’s not a choice against the nature of reality which is the…

Marc: This is a big deal, right?

Barbara: It’s a choice on behalf of the nature of reality.

Marc: We’re aligning with reality.

Barbara: It’s toward greater love. Now that makes a huge difference.

Marc: Everyone getting this? This is key.

Barbara:  How I feel about my choices because if somebody says to me the nature of reality is thoughtless and destructive and everything goes extinct, then my choice is feel irrelevant or impossible. But if I know choices are in the direction it seems to have been for billions of years towards greater intelligence, greater connectivity, greater love, I am so empowered in what I would consider to be the deep values of my own nature.

Marc: This is ok now we’ve hit it. Does everyone get this now? This is where I think the person had said in the question that… That’s a great question and I think now you’re beginning to get what we mean here, right?

If the world’s a world which is a we call it a red tooth and claw world which is a phrase for a world which is brutally competitive, which is about competing with other people to make sure you survive and they don’t because only one person is going to survive. It’s a world which doesn’t have love at its essence. It’s a world which is just about survival and it’s a zero sum game. I survive, you don’t.

If a world is ruthless, if it’s a dog eat dog world as it’s described, then a choice for love is heroic, but almost meaningless. But if we really get that evolutionary love is driving the whole story, that the world is moving towards more and more recognition, more and more creativity, more and more union, more and more embrace, more and more care. And that begins with quarks coming together single boundary falling around them and they create an atom and atoms come together and they create operation between them and they form a molecules and molecules cooperate and they form a complex molecule in this process of attraction allurement love cooperation is driving the entire process.

And when Barbara and I come together and we say let’s put aside competition, let’s cooperate and collaborate to create this new offering of love, we’re not doing something which is weird or whacked out or even righteous. We’re just aligning with the essential nature of the Cosmos.

Barbara: And it’s interesting that all the great spiritual traditions told us that love one another. But you might say that’s a basic receptive, all of them. But it’s been very hard for us to do it en masse. But I think that by realizing that the Universe is a love story and that if we do not love we probably will not survive now because we’re so powerful that the timing for understanding that the Universe is a love story is now.

Marc: Yea, that’s beautiful.

Barbara: You know this is not just a fanciful idea. It’s probably the most essential idea right now in human history; this idea.

Marc:  Yea, I mean right here right now. And let’s maybe conclude Barbara what you just said about the great traditions telling us to love each other and this will be an example of what we mean by really understanding for a minute and evolutionary reading of sacred texts.

So here’s a text that V’ahavta l’re’akha kamokha loved your neighbor as herself and then in the third century it says [Inaudible, 0:14:46]. This is a great principle of Torah which means the light. This is a great the Torah means for the light. So what does that mean?

So we used to think that there’s this commandment from a commanding God that says be a good person, love your neighbor, otherwise you’ll be punished. Well, I get that. You try and do your best because who wants to get punished by a commanding God. Maybe it feels a little better.

But the worst thing is that that text, that sacred text has a much deeper meaning, has an evolutionary meaning when it says this is the greatest principle of the light what the text means is that the essential nature of reality itself is love. Is that when I love my neighbor I’m actually aligned with the [Inaudible, 0:15:36] the essential principle. That’s what the word [Inaudible, 0:15:39] means in Hebrew, the essential principle of reality.

So we used to think this means this is the number one obedient rule you have to follow. Now it means this is the essential principle which guides all of reality from quarks all the way up to human beings. And evolutionary reading of sacred text.

Barbara: This is a beautiful way to say it and I often have thought [0:16:00] from the point of view of the source of creation or intelligence that it’s not so easy to create a Universe.

Marc: Good point.

Barbara: I mean if I were a Universal intelligence wanting to create a Universe from no thing at all and I had three seconds to get started…

Marc: If you were God, if you were the Universal intelligence…

Barbara:  And I have to think of the quarks and this and this and this for billions and billions of years selecting various species out until I finally get to a species called humans who wake up to me, that is to say the divine intelligence of the Universe, to say yes I get it. Not only do you have to be an extraordinary human being like Buddha or Jesus to get this. I’m an ordinary human being saying thank you God. And I know it was a big effort to get to the creative humans who get this. So I’m just taking God’s point of view for a moment.

Marc: Absolutely I think that’s thank God. That’s wonder to actually begin to experience the dazzling wonder of this is beyond imagination.

I want to make a promise. Barbara you talked about, in the first answer you talked about the process of evolution which also has great creation and destruction in which millions, perhaps billions of species (I have to check my numbers) go extinct and that we could go extinct as well but we need to look at that in terms of a love story.

How do we call the Universe a love story when there’s both creation and destruction happening all the way up and all the way down and would dedicate a special series of podcasts within this series on that. Really two questions:

What about all the creation and destruction? Isn’t love always constructive? Question one.

Two, what about evil and suffering?

So there’s the intrinsic creation and destruction in the world process and then there’s you know things that seem to be evil and suffering that’s human made. But if the world’s a love story, then we’ve got to address both of those. We can’t have a Pollyannaish claim. Pollyannaish means the kind of I don’t know what it means, like a kind of new age, saccharine, sweet, oh it’s a love story.

We’ve got to look really carefully so we will in some of the podcasts talk about the creation and destruction; the mystery and the mystery of suffering because that’s all part of the love story.

Wow. Do you love me?

Barbara: Of course I do.

Marc: Oh my God. I love you. I love you. The Universe: A Love Story. This was podcast five, week six coming at you next week my friends. Have an awesome and loving week.

Barbara: The most amazing thing that we have discovered through Cosmogenesis is the Universe has direction.

Marc: It has direction. It’s going someplace.

Barbara: It’s going somewhere and it’s going somewhere that we want to go if we want greater love, greater freedom, greater connectivity. It seems to have a value system deep inside the design of evolution. To me, that was the greatest revelation in a world which looked meaningless or looked like we’re just going for more power and more control to a world that was calling us for a greater love, greater connectivity, greater consciousness, and I would say greater life purpose.

Marc: So let’s look at this, ok? So Barbara throws out a big sentence that we both completely share. There seems to be a value system inside of the structure of evolution, one.

Two, we talked about last week, the week before that we’re central, we’re personally implicated in the evolutionary story.

Watch this fourth in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni:

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome. We are here in week four of The Universe: A Love Story with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni, the man with only two names. So it’s exciting.

The first three weeks we’ve just kind of laid down the beginning of the framework. Now we want to apologize to you. It’s slightly sincere, slightly insincere. It’s kind of a mixture of both, but what we mean is in the first three weeks we took a lot of things for granted. We talked about existentialism but we didn’t really talk about what is existentialism. The Renaissance you know, schools of art and we just had a little bit of a conversation which we think you were able to track all of but we’ve gotten some comments from you which asked us to really explain everything. So if we say existentialism, we’ll stop and say by existentialism, we mean… Ok? We’ve gotten a bunch of these comments saying wow we’re really loving the podcasts but we don’t want to miss anything so please unpack everything. So we promise to do that. Thank you for those comments. Those were super helpful. Good Marc? Good Barbara? We’ve got a deal.

Ok. So week four and now it takes off. Our topic in podcast four is Evolutionary Love. We’re going to start explaining more deeply what we mean when we say the Universe is not a fact, but a story; it’s a love story.

So what drives evolution? We know that in science there are four forces:

  • The electromagnetic,
  • gravity, and
  • the strong and
  • the weak.

But again if those mean a lot to you then fantastic. If they don’t, fine. Those are the four forces of the physical Universe. But what we’re really understanding very clearly now both in interior sciences and in exterior sciences; meaning both in a classical, what we classically call science and based our own interior understanding on how things work is that something’s got to be driving the whole thing.

Barbara: The most amazing thing that we have discovered through Cosmogenesis is the Universe has direction.

Marc: It has direction. It’s going someplace.

Barbara: It’s going somewhere and it’s going somewhere that we want to go if we want greater love, greater freedom, greater connectivity. It seems to have a value system deep inside the design of evolution. To me, that was the greatest revelation in a world which looked meaningless or looked like we’re just going for more power and more control to a world that was calling us for a greater love, greater connectivity, greater consciousness, and I would say greater life purpose.

Marc: So let’s look at this, ok? So Barbara throws out a big sentence that we both completely share. There seems to be a value system inside of the structure of evolution, one.

Two, we talked about last week, the week before that we’re central, we’re personally implicated in the evolutionary story.

So we’re personally implicated in articulating and fulfilling the values of evolution. Now let’s just get this really clear. That idea barely existed in the consciousness of the world very, very recently. The assumption about evolution was it a blind force. The human being evolves willy nilly against the we kind of evolves when it’s better than willy nilly which who knows what they mean by that. The human being evolves to a kind of random set of accidents right? There’s a random set of accidents that spawn forth a human being. There’s a blind force of evolution. The world is a scientific machine. It’s a clockwork Universe. There are no real interiors to speak of. Values are merely subjective and the human being is decentered but the world itself is emptied of meaning.

The world is appraised by a writer named Lewis Mumford. The world is disqualified meaning quality, interiors, values, love, loyalty, none of those are actually real. What’s real is that the Universe is a machine. Now that’s a big deal. We’re now realizing that narrative wasn’t true. We’re now realizing that based on the best information that we have, the Universe is driven by evolutionary love. Now you went Barbara to the end of the story. You went to evolution has values which is hugely true. I want to, with your permission, let’s go back to the beginning of the story and see how we get there.

So I’m a quark. A quark is a subatomic particle. Barbara’s way ahead of me. I’m just a quark hanging out in Manhattan doing my thing in Idaho. I’m a quark in Bombay, right? You know? And I’m just doing my thing. And then, I’m attracted to another quark. I feel like whoa! That other quark is kinda hot. Can we hang out? And over a large periods of evolutionary time, there’s an attraction.

There’s Thomas Berry’s term… Thomas Berry was a great evolutionary philosopher. There’s an allurement between subatomic particles. They’re attracted to each other. There’s a force in the Universe of Eros, of attraction. Love by any other name because one of the properties of love is that love brings people together. Barbara and I love each other so let’s do this project together. We’re brought together. It’s happening right now. So love is this force of attraction which allures quarks to become atoms, quarks (let’s try to get those words straight) quarks to become atoms, atoms to become molecules, molecules to become complex molecules, complex molecules to become organisms, organisms to become organelles, organelles right?

It’s the entire movement of evolution is driven by a force which we might call Eros or love. There’s other names we’ll give to it a little later. Science calls it self-organization or the driving towards emergence, which is the emergence of more and more complex meaning as Barbara said in week one, more and more interconnected organisms that have more and more love internally, more and more cells internally, more and more pieces connecting internally, and have the ability different beings, different organisms to love each other more.

So dogs can love each other more and dogs are interiorly more complex than they are in size. Dogs can love each other more than amoebas love each other. They can consciously choose to take care of each other more than amoebas can. They’re loving each other and in the interior of the dog there’s more love, there’s more inner-connectivity, there’s more Eros, there’s more attraction.

So this process of love starts at the very beginning. It doesn’t start people say love starts when sex begins. No. Love is built in to the very fabric of reality and it is the driving force that it moves the whole story and at the end we’ll come to values. It’s going to wake up as values. It’s going to wake up. But what about the beginning of the story?

Barbara: Well I was just going to say even before the quarks…

Marc: Even before the quarks, yes. Yes.

Barbara: The thing that is the most amazing to me is those first three seconds…

Marc: After the big bang.

Barbara: After the big bang that they say that if the energy had been faster, we would have never have cohered into matter or if it had been slower in the first three seconds, we would have been stuck with [0:08:00] no growth at all. So however it happened, those first three seconds you might say were the source code of the Universe in the first three seconds would create more life, create more consciousness and the quarks appeared.

Marc: It’s just that sentence, Love. Ok beloved? Just that sentence even before quarks.

Let’s stay before quarks, ok? So it’s the first three seconds Barbara is saying, all the laws of physics and math right? All the laws of everything are established. A level of dazzling complexity. Did you ever get through calculous? It’s not that easy. All of that is established… All the laws of physics, all the laws of mathematics, all the laws of reality are established in the first three seconds which is then going to guide the track of evolution.

Now I’m going to go one more. Ready? Before the first three seconds, in what’s called one to the negative forty-three which is a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth of a millionth, right? By a millionth of a second. I wasn’t counting my millionths so don’t hold me to that. But it’s actually the very, very beginning of the beginning of the beginning of the beginning the laws of physics don’t apply.

There are no laws of physics there. It’s pure nothing. There’s no thing. There’s no laws of physics and out of that pure potentiality then laws of physics start. So in that one to the negative forty-three which we now in science can identify it in a way which we couldn’t identify it fifty years ago. We now know about that moment which is no laws of physics. It’s actually from the mystical perspective when we go inside of that reality, its pure love breathing everything into existence.

Barbara: Pure consciousness.

Marc: Pure consciousness. And it’s ultimately the source of all mystery and then the three seconds, the first three second which all the laws are established and then the laws begin to evolve towards higher and higher levels of connectivity, Eros, love, wow.

Barbara: So this is why you can really say love was at even before the beginning. Because to put before the big bang, no physics, no laws. To put those laws in place that actually allowed the allurement and attraction of the quarks and the protons and the electrons all the way up means for me intelligent and you know we were talking about the way people have looked at this process. One way has been the creator God as you said does it from the outside and we’re the result of that creator God intelligence.

Marc: Who’s a big human being who hates homosexuals, who loves only one nation…?

Barbara: And doesn’t like women very much.

Marc: Doesn’t like women very much. And it’s the negative view of the creator God.

Barbara: The creator God and we’re more or less disempowered unless we follow the laws of the creator God. That was on one side. On the other…

Marc: And the creator God wants to make sure that you don’t do anything wrong when you’re naked.

Barbara: On the other side of the equation is it’s a meaningless Universe. There’s no creator, there’s no design, it’s an accident.

Marc: It’s an accident.

Barbara: Now to call this design in the first three seconds an accident…

Marc: Is about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

Barbara: I don’t know how you can logically from a scientific perspective, call that an accident and I do know that one of the ways they’ve tried to do it is by saying there must be billions of Universes and by accident one was perfectly designed for energy matter and life. Whatever the truth of that is, it seems completely illogical to me to say that perfect design was an accident.

Marc: And this is important because let’s be really clear here.

Science does not say as a fact that the Universe is an accident.

Accident is about interiors, about what’s driving it. Science can only describe and that only is huge and beautiful and wonderful and science is the best articulation we have of the laws of nature for sure. But to say, to talk about what the nature, the interior nature of those laws are, where that design came from, to assert that as an accident has nothing to do with science. That’s not scientific. There’s this assumption out there oh science says reality’s an accident. Science has nothing to say about it. Science is describing exteriors.

Now let’s get this right. I really want you to understand this because there are dozens and dozens of scientists who are leading physicists, leading quantum physicists, leading molecular biologists that I’ve talked to over the last thirty years and not one of them in a private conversation would say that the Universe is an accident. Actually that’s considered to be paten the absurd.

Sometimes there’s dogmas of science where science isn’t being scientific, it’s being dogmatic. It’s claiming things on faith because it needs to for a lot of reasons which we’ll talk about later. Just like religion used to claim a lot of things on faith. So I want you to really get how absurd it is.

Imagine if and here’s an example. Ok? So right before we got started filming, I got Barbara these flowers. Do you like the flowers?

Barbara: Yea, I like the flowers a lot.

Marc: Everyone like them? Ok. So imagine that I had brought Barbara as a gift a reality that has a design that had in it all of the laws of mathematics and all of the laws of physics and I give it to her as a gift and she says wow that was an accident. Imagine I worked in my garage and I made the most beautiful, elegant, stunning painting that you could possibly imagine and she looks and says oh well that was an accident. Nice. It’s absurd. And that stunning painting that I designed or that stunning creation I designed in my garage for seven weeks and I give it to her it’s because I love her. And it’s I’m creating this design, this elegance, this beauty out of the sense of wanting to gift, of wanting to love.

And so mystics meaning people who enter into using scientific experimental methods (we’ll talk about that in a different week) entered into the interior face of the Cosmos, mystics have been able to realize that what’s driving the big bang is love itself; that love begins the whole process. But you don’t need to be a mystic to figure it out. Just get really simple and basic. Reality gives us this gift of dazzling elegance and beauty beyond imagination. Dazzling what was your word, Barbara? Design.

Barbara: Design, yes. Design going somewhere valuable to me.

Marc: Going somewhere valuable to me, not designed by a homophobic creator God who says only this people is chosen. Not that kind of design, but the inherent intelligence of reality itself that is dazzling beyond any imagination.

Just study molecular biology for a few minutes and you’re going to be blowing out of your mind. Oh that was all an accident. Really? So that’s not a claim made by science, right? Science doesn’t talk about accident, right? Science can’t make a claim in that realm. And religion can’t tell us there was a homophobic, angry God who did it. [0:16:00]

What we’re realizing it there’s an interior design in the Cosmos which moves towards more and more connectivity, more and more mutuality, more and more recognition of each other, more and more embrace. That’s love by any other name. Does that make sense Barbara?

Barbara: It’s such a good design when you come to hear it this way. I just like to express my appreciation for the Universe having this design. There’s a sense of thankfulness on my part to even be part of this now having the wisdom intelligence with the scientific background and the mystical traditions to see myself, a living example of the 13.8 billion years that it took to create a being able to know the Universe is a love story. The Universe must be pleased if I can say so that species are intelligent enough to discover what it’s been up to all along.

Marc: Wow.

Barbara: I know I’m jumping ahead of the story.

Marc: No, no. You’re awesome. You’re awesome. So let’s just track this forum that we’re going to close here. We’re going to pick up next week.

So the Universe is driven by evolutionary love which is the force of allurement and attraction that moves to more and more complexity, more and more inner-connectivity, more and more interiority, more and more depth of consciousness.

A dog has more depth than an amoeba. A human being has more depth than a crocodile, right? More and more depth, more and more capacity to love, more and more capacity to be aware.

That’s the movement of evolution.

And then Barbara, let’s go back to you and I really want to ask you to end for us with how you started because that thrust of movement towards love awakens as you began with human beings becoming aware of these values consciously and being able to act on them consciously. So love, awareness, nurturing, caring, recognition, union and embrace, all these values become conscious as values that we hold as the Universe awakens to itself. So maybe describe that to us?

Barbara: Well, for me the feeling that my own impulse toward greater love, toward greater creativity and goodness is the Universe in me expressing that.

So it makes a huge difference for me being a separate person who wants to be loving to being a person in whom the force of creation is expressing itself as love because the empowerment that I feel when I feel my desire for greater love is the Universal process within me.

I become so thankful and it’s in an old fashioned way where you would say thank you God for the process. In a newer way you might say thank you process of creation. Thank you Universal impulse of design. See? We don’t have a good word for God in this metaphor.

Marc: Right and universal impulse of design or intelligent Cosmos is what we mean in the evolved sense when we talk about God. The God you don’t believe in doesn’t exist. You got that? The old mythological God, you can let it go.

The universal impulse of design you’ve got to be careful because the word God’s not in there. That’s not just an automatic dead, inert, mechanistic universe. That’s the most throbbing, living, radically wise, alive, infinitely powerful force that we can even vaguely begin to imagine exponentially way beyond what our imagination can even begin to touch. That’s what we’re talking about. Universal force of design just blows your mind out. So that’s driven by, that’s love. That’s love driving the process.

So let’s hold here. I know we didn’t explain it all. We’re just kind of beginning to put it on the table. Do you have a last word for us, Barbara?

Barbara: I think it’s a long word.

Marc: It’s a long word…. next week? Next week.

Barbara: Yes, I think so.

Marc: Next week it is.

Barbara: Yes.

Marc: Ok. I love you.

Barbara: Yes.

Marc: Ok. Here we go. Next week.

Watch this third in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni.

From the video:

The future can be filled with innovation, creativity, human dignity of an unimaginable proportion or we can actually implode and self-destruct.

The difference will be: Will we actually evolve our consciousness? Will we evolve love? Will we actually begin to realize that the Universe is a love story, that we’re personally implicated in this love story; in this evolutionary love story? When we wake up as conscious agents of that evolution, we begin to come together, we can actually transform the whole story.

You can read the whole transcript below.

Transcript:

Marc: Welcome to podcast three of The Universe: A Love Story, Evolutionary Love podcasts with Marc Gafni, Barbara Marx Hubbard. And I apologize that I’m the only person with two names and not three.

Ok. Here we go. So I think what we decided to do for this week is we’re in week three, is just to kind of catch everyone up. We’re going to do what they call in music a recapitulation. This to recapitulate and Barbara, maybe I’ll just mention a point of recapitulation and then maybe you’ll comment on it or talk about it just very briefly and this podcast it’s going to be fifteen minutes. We’re going to try from this week on to keep our podcasts to about fifteen minutes. We’re just going to try to recapitulate where we are so we really see clearly and then next week we can take off the next step.

So we want to evolve the source code we said last week. And by source code we mean evolving the narrative; evolving the story that we’re living in, evolving the framework that we’re living in, and what we’re saying is and this is big, is that everyone lives in invisible frameworks. And if you want to start to have power over your life, don’t just do a particular methodology or particular practice.

To really give power, to really change your game, just actually relocate yourself in a bigger narrative and a better narrative with better information, you’ve got to change your map. If you’ve got an outdated map, you’re never going to find your way. So what we have to do is we actually have to do a redraw the map of reality based on the best spiritual, scientific, psychological, anthropological, the best information available today from all places. That’s what we’re doing.

Barbara: And the important thing there is according to the source code, you behaved, you acted your life as directed and most of us don’t know we have a source code. It’s invisible. It’s like a fish swimming in water. So by noticing your source code, like if you think you’re out of control and the world is coming to an end, you’re going to behave differently than if you think you’re evolving into a world that has infinite possibilities. It’s hugely different what source code so I think what we’re doing here is making us aware of the source code that we may have and what’s the best possible source code that gives us the most accurate loving truthful story to empower all of us.

Marc: Right, right. It’s like what we’re doing is I mean we’re laying down, we’re articulating the texts of the evolutionary Bible. Or if you want to use a more Eastern term, the evolutionary Sutras. A Sutra is like a verse. It’s the great evolutionary Ramayana. Ramayana. Sorry, let’s start with the end there. The great evolutionary Ramayana. It’s the great evolutionary Mahamudra. So I’m borrowing terms from the East. It’s the evolutionary aboriginal story. The point is that we’re re-narrating the sacred text which talks about the origin of reality, its purpose, its direction. Because remember that the sacred texts that we have available to us today were written by people who on the one hand were wildly open and awake and had deep, direct connections to spirit.

On the other hand, they didn’t know, none of them, some of the basic truths about reality. Not only scientific, but moral that we know today. The basic idea that a woman is fully equal to a man, the idea of democracy, the idea that no-one’s expendable. All of these ideas were fundamentally unavailable. The idea that universal human rights… none of these existed to the people who created the great traditions. So they had deep knowledge of certain key dimensions of spirit which were critical and beautiful and totaled this enormous amount about the good, the true, and the beautiful. And their other ways was actually the bad and the ugly and the barbaric. And so we need to re-narrate a new sacred text.

Barbara: Well I remember when the story I was told when I graduated from college in 1951 Bryn Mawr College was get married, have as many babies as possible, take care of your husband, take care of your house, and the men are to go out and win; win wars, make  money. The entire materialistic culture was what I was given as the best it could be. And one professor said you know what? I think most of our problems have been solved. This is 1951. So we didn’t have a clue of what was coming.

I do want to say one thing to you. Not to judge the human race too harshly… because sometimes I think what it was like fifty thousand years ago when we just got self-reflective consciousness. We had no teeth, no fangs, no fur, no clothes. We made it through up to the point of the power of destroying the world or evolving the world by the source code that we have. So I just wanted to say the enormous importance of shifting the source code when we have the power to destroy or create at this scale.

Marc: Yea, absolutely. See get what we mean by the source code. Source code means  that the invisible framework in which we live and we’re going to now evolve that source code based on all the information we have. When I say all the information, I want to be really clear: scientific information, psychological information, but also interior information. The voices of essence speaking to us and through us. The voices of interiors, the voice of love, the voices of values, the voices of new meaning. Those are called interiors.

So we’re going to take the best we have in interiors and the best we have in exteriors, scientific objective information, and weave together a new narrative. Now Barbara, you just said so importantly that in 1951 there was just another moment where on the one hand there were people saying it was a meaninglessness like we talked about and you talked about in the last podcast. Then there was this other part of the world which said we’re progressing, it’s all good, it’s all fantastic…

Barbara: Do more of it.

Marc: And do more of it. You have to kind of have the large mainstream culture was success, move forward, the war’s over, let’s forget about it, but then there were people like…

Barbara: We won, we won.

Marc: And we won. There were people like you and your husband who actually were the existentialists meaning actually this is empty and how do we actually construct meaning? And how do we actually reweave the source code and so what the existentialist said was there is no source code. There is no meaning. We’re just making it up.

We’re now realizing in 2015 based on an enormous amount of depth and study and maturation and transformation and growth is that actually there is deep meaning available; that actually you can disclose meaning and it’s a new realization there’s a post-dogmatic. It’s not the old dogma, but there’s a post-dogmatic knowing of the patterns that connect, of the new story. For the first time we’re able to see the narrative, we can see where we’re going, and we can gather the best information.

Barbara: Well we talked about Cosmogenesis earlier. That was only the 1960s. I want to just make a point on the newness of this perspective. Because it wasn’t until they actually realized that Universe is not eternal or static, that it’s evolving and we are [0:08:00] evolving. It was only the 1960s. So when I graduated from college in 1951, they didn’t know. They did not know. Nobody knew. And then…

Marc: That the Universe itself was evolving.

Barbara: They did not know, much less that we were evolving. And so the other thing that we didn’t know therefore what was our meaning? Where should we go with all this power? What should we be doing with this? When I went to Bryn Mawr College I remember they said what course do you want to major in? Well I had to know what direction the Universe was going in before I knew what I wanted to major in and I just want to make the point as how hard it was to give meaning to your life if you didn’t know the direction of the larger process that you were part of and the crisis are also new. We didn’t really know we had an environmental crisis. We didn’t know.

Marc: We barely even knew we had an environment.

Barbara: We didn’t know we had an environment. We didn’t know we had a population problem. If we want more doubling of the population we could destroy life. We didn’t know we had the powers of Gods to destroy. So I would like to just say for the human species, the newness of this gives the sense of great empathy for us. We didn’t have any professors who are on the other side of this to say here’s the way we’re going. So the ones of us who are searching for, who are really searching into open space.

Marc: Right. And out of searching into that open space, we’ve gathered together really for the first time in history and integrated all over the great wisdom traditions from the traditional period before the Renaissance from the great spiritual religious traditions, from the Renaissance and on which we might call the scientific period or the modern period. And then the postmodern period after modernity failed in so many ways; the two great bombs dropped in WWII which symbolized the failure of modernity’s power.

So we’re going to draw wisdom from all three of those great traditions and weave them together. And as we’ve said every week so far, the result is a new story. The result is the realization that the Universe is a story, that it’s heading in a particular direction, and that its major plotline is love and here’s a big sentence:

We are personally implicated in evolution.

Barbara: So I want to say why if the Universe is heading for love, given the fact that if we could destroy the world with the powers that we have inherited, from the genius of humanity. If we do not learn how to love one another as all the great traditions have said fundamentally is true. But if we don’t learn it now, we’ll self-destruct. So it looks like love has come up on the agenda as never, never before because of the power to destroy and the power to co-create. So I’d like to put the need to love at the center of the story and when we say it’s been a love story towards ever greater allurement of particles joining with particles joining to…

Marc: We haven’t talked about it. We’re going to talk about it next week very clear. The allurement of particles and we’re going to be transparent there. We haven’t talked about that yet, but so we’re going to get that done next week. So if you didn’t get that, just bracket it and keep going.

Barbara: Ok. So I just wanted to say that what we’re saying now about the need for the new source code of love as the direction of evolution is vital for survival is not just nice.

Marc: Right. And that’s the key. It’s vital for the survival, not just for the individual. All of a sudden we’re facing a level of crisis where issues are not local, they’re global and we can either we’re before a tale of two futures.

The future can be filled with innovation, creativity, human dignity of an unimaginable proportion or we can actually implode and self-destruct.

The difference will be: Will we actually evolve our consciousness? Will we evolve love? Will we actually begin to realize that the Universe is a love story, that we’re personally implicated in this love story; in this evolutionary love story? When we wake up as conscious agents of that evolution, we begin to come together, we can actually transform the whole story. But we’re ahead of ourselves. So we’re already kind of reaching towards next week.

Let’s before we finish, Barbara, let’s just kind of summarize what are the four basic things that we’ve said?

We’ve said that the evolution’s not a fact in the world. Let’s get this straight.

The world, the Universe is not a fact, but a story and it’s a love story. It’s moving towards greater love.

We’ve said that that’s an urgent necessity to realize that. Without that realization, which will shift our consciousness and therefore transform our action, we actually can self-destruct.

We’ve pointed out that there was three big bangs:

Cosmological evolution, planets and stars, biological evolution life and cultural evolution of deeper ways of living. Ideas, consciousness where we go up to some kind of cave man to the most advanced human beings.

Those are the three big bangs and the trajectory of evolution from the Cosmological to biological to cultural evolution, three big bangs is towards greater and greater love, more and more caring. Barbara you pointed out greater inner-connectivity. A dog has more inner-connectivity, more love happening inside than an amoeba. A human being has fifty trillion cells. More inner-connectivity and love than an amoeba. And that we’re all unique expressions of that love, which we’re not going to talk about yet.

We’re all unique expressions of that love intelligence. That’s going to be really important to understand our place in the love story. But that, we’re ahead of ourselves. So that’s what we know. We’re personally implicated in the story and the story needs us. To know what role we play in the story, we need to understand the story. That’s where we’re going next week. Good?

Barbara: Good.

Marc: Rock on. Awesome. Next week it is.

New Series with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni

Watch this second in a series of 10, beautiful videos, with Barbara Marx Hubbard and Marc Gafni. In this piece they discuss why the Universe really IS a Love Story and what that means. You can also read the transcript below:

Transcript:

Marc: Barbara, here we go.

Barbara: The Universe: A Love Story. What does that mean?

Marc: The Universe: A Love Story. What does that mean? And it is so wildly important to realize as we’ve talked about so often, but at this moment in time what we understand is that the Universe is not a fact, the Universe is a story. Now, let me just I’m going to begin by just unpacking that sentence and I’m unpacking it not to inform Barbara that she’s been living it for fifty years, but just to kind of share with each other and we’re starting this conversation from the beginning. Tabula rasa. You know? No assumptions, just kind of laying out for each other and for you piece by piece what is the most exciting information, transformative information which not only changes the way you look at the world in a fundamental way, but the way you act, the way be in the world in a fundamental way.

Every once in a while there’s some piece of information that changes the way we look at the world, but not the way we live in it. Sometimes there’s a piece of information that changes the way you live, but not the way you actually look at the world. This information changes both. So here we go. The Universe: A Love Story. The Universe is not a fact, it’s a story. So let me unpack what we mean when we say that.

As recently as Einstein, Einstein thought the Cosmos was eternal. There’s an eternal Cosmos. It’s unchanging. Five hundred, a thousand years ago it was pretty clear that not only the physical Cosmos is eternal, but the biological Cosmos is eternal.

There were people before Charles Darwin who talks about evolution, who had evolutionary theories. Evolution was in the air when Darwin wrote and there are earlier evolutionary indications in thought, but still overwhelming mainstream of thought both the sciences that existed and in the world of spirit and the world of literature, the world of art assumed as an absolute given that the world was in eternal. The nature of the world was eternal; both the physical world and the life world. Do you get what we mean by that? The physical world is rocks and stones and planets and galaxies. By the biological world we mean anything that has life from amoeba to human beings. So the assumption was these are just facts. These exist.

Now the nature of the universe was it’s a given, it’s a fact, it’s not going anywhere, and the general understanding was that a God who lives outside the Universe decided to create it and that happened in six twenty-four hour days. Let there be a moon and there’s a moon. And we’re not going to talk about that right now, but that was just a given in reality. Along comes the evolutionary idea and evolution says the world’s not a fact, it’s a story. Meaning, the world is going somewhere. It has a direction. It has telos. Now don’t phase out on Latin words, my friends. A couple of Latin words are always fun. Telos from that has direction in the evolution means that the world started. We call it Cosmogenesis at a particular time, but it’s going somewhere. It has direction.

The world has evolved. It’s changed. The world’s gone through stages of evolution and those stages start with Cosmological evolution, right? We’ve got Cosmological evolution, planet sun stars, biological evolution life, and then cultural evolution which is the evolution of ideas, the evolution of consciousness, how do human beings think about things in the world?

So the early caveman and woman not only had tools that were different than our tools, but they thought about things differently. There wasn’t a lot of democracy for example. There wasn’t a big feminist movement. There wasn’t basic ideas of human rights, the intrinsic rights of every individual. All the ideas that we take for granted in much of the world of course didn’t exist. So ideas once the human beings came on the scene, ideas evolved. That’s cultural evolution.

Now if you track this whole story, Barbara and I are about to make a wild proposition which we think is based on the best evidence we have available today which is that this trajectory, simple word, this arrow, this direction of evolution, this evolutionary story of the changing world has a plot. There’s a plot to the story and the plot to the story is love. The story is a love story. The Universe is not a fact, it’s a story. The Universe is a love story. And in these few minutes we’re going to just fill in a little bit of what that means. So I’m going to turn now to Barbara just to begin filling that in.

Barbara: Well it was amazing to me how we discovered this. It was only in the sixties that some scientists heard the background radiation of the first explosion or flaring forth. They said it was like the first breaths of the Universe beginning. However that mystery began, and it is a total mystery, it was perfectly designed.

Marc: Right. The big bang.

Barbara: The big bang for energy, matter, and life to form. And that whisper was discovered by our scientists and they called it Cosmogenesis. The Cosmos had a Genesis and it has been evolving, it is evolving through us, and it will be evolving based on what we do. When I first heard that, I was so thrilled.

A lot of people didn’t notice it. But what I felt is that if the Universe started with a big bang and it has been evolving towards ever greater consciousness and complexity and potentiality, somehow I was in it. In other words, I must be also evolving and you’re evolving and we are evolving and the world is evolving and the doors opened up for my mind. A feeling stuck and wondering where I was going and what I was doing I got a clue from the Universe where I was going. Because apparently, from that big bang, up through billions and billions of years, the Universe had a direction and the direction you can see it from single cells to multi-cells to animals to humans to us was ever-greater awareness, ever-greater consciousness, ever-greater freedom to choose to destroy or create. And it looked to me like we are the story in person. So I began to really research this story of evolution as the story of ourselves evolving.

Marc: Beautiful, beautiful and we’re going to get back to so much of what Barbara said in future podcasts, but one of the things that we’re going to do because we’re madly loving you is we’re going to take this piece at a time and you’ll be with us for…we’ll be with you, we’ll be with each other Universe willing for a long time; at least the next year we’re going to be talking about this and every week we’re going to unfold another piece of it.

So I’m going to go back to the Genesis, to the beginning. So when we say the Universe is a love story, it’s a story that is to say it’s moving somewhere. It has a plot. Now where is it moving? So Barbara, you just said so beautifully, where’s it moving? So what do we simply know about evolution? Evolution is the movement from simple to complex.

We’ve got an amoeba. An amoeba is simple; lots of beauty and dazzling gorgeousness in amoeba. But relatively simple compared to a dog. But a dog is more complex. So the movement of evolution from an amoeba which is single celled to then multi-cellular organisms, then early plants, then more advanced plants and then early animals and then mammals up through to human beings; from neural nets to neural chords to ultimately to a frontal cortex and you don’t need to know all those words. Just detract the general movement of evolution from simple to complex.

Now if you notice, it’s not just that the movement is from simple to complex, it’s from less consciously or less overtly loving to more consciously, more overtly, more clearly, more availably, obviously loving. How do you know? Well let me say it simply. When was the last time you saw a person that had a pet amoeba? There’s not a lot of pet amoebas around. Why aren’t there pet amoebas? There aren’t pet amoebas because there’s not an easy exchange of love with amoebas. So amoebas function. They’re enormously successful from an evolutionary perspective, but you wouldn’t have a pet amoeba because there’s no exchange of love. There’s less consciousness. An amoeba’s less conscious than a dog.

Now let’s track this for a second. So the more complexity we have, the more consciousness we have. A dog is more conscious than an amoeba. Now a dog’s also more loving than an amoeba. A dog can give love. You can embrace a dog, you can do puppy love. We call it puppy love because puppies are loving and dogs are loving in a fascinating set of ways.

As a matter of fact, I had a dog for a period of time who was deeply in love. It was a female dog with the male dog next door. Both were neutered so it wasn’t for sexual reproduction. And my dog would always save the best bone for the dog next door. Two times the dog next door was attacked. My dog got involved to help that dog and my dog was wildly loving to me. Very different than a dog eat dog world, which is described by the bad readings of evolution which don’t really take good science into account.

So if you track this, let’s say it really simply. The evolution, the trajectory, the arrow of evolution is from simple to complex. Simplicity/complexity, but on the inside of complexity you always have consciousness. So it’s from less consciousness to more consciousness. A dog is more conscious than an amoeba. But the inside of the consciousness is love. The inside of consciousness is love. So the dog is more loving, more overtly and obviously choosing love than an amoeba. So the movement of evolution is the movement from simple to complex, the inside of complexity is consciousness, and the inside of consciousness is love. Now that’s pretty wild.

Barbara: There’s something that I’d like to add to that. That the complexity is consciousness. When you think about what complexity means, let’s say you have fifty trillion cells operating as you to make the complex person that you are. Now, I have fifty trillion cells. I’m not noticing…

Marc: To make the very complex person that you are.

Barbara: I’m not noticing even one of them doing this. So within this complexity is organizational genius of separate parts coming together by attraction to do specific things within each creating a new being. And so the word complexity hardly describes…

Marc: It’s so beautiful.

Barbara: Or even the word consciousness that what’s causing this complexity and consciousness is so greatly mysterious that you have to say divine intelligence of some sort is operating to create this ever-greater complexity, ever-greater consciousness, and ever-greater love because the parts that are making up our bodies have to be attracted to each other to do their part or you wouldn’t stay together for a minute. You’d just go poof. You would disappear.

Marc: Alright. This is so important. So there’s definitely…

Barbara: Love is holding all those pieces together. This is what we’re saying.

Marc: Does everyone get what Barbara said? Because this is great. So Barbara is saying that not only is the movement of evolution from an amoeba to a dog to a human being for example, more and more complex and more and more loving. A human being, being more loving than a dog and believe me, I love dogs, but human beings build hospitals. Human beings are able, at least have the capacity of course for more destruction, but they also have the capacity to stand at levels of chosen love that the animal world can’t yet stand in; building hospitals being a great example. Taking care of all who are sick; taking care of all those who are sick and helpless who are not in our immediate family. So the human being has for many evolutionary perspectives the most expanded possible circle of love.

But Barbara is adding a second thing, a second dimension of the Universe: A Love Story which is that the dog has more interior love happening in her or his essence than the amoeba because the dog is more complex. And Barbara, tell me if I’m reflecting this back correctly because it’s such a beautiful and key- when you say complexity, you don’t capture it. Complexity means this enormously dazzlingly elegant designed… designed by the interior intelligence of reality itself.

If the word divine by the way doesn’t work for you, skip it. We don’t want to get lost in word games.

It’s an intelligent Cosmos that manifests the dazzlingly intricate and gorgeous complexity of interconnectivity happening within the dog that’s much higher than interconnectivity happening in the amoeba. But then when you get to the interconnectivity happening within Barbara Marx-Hubbard, fifty trillion cells, that’s love. That’s what Barbara called attraction. There’s an attractive force happening inside that’s holding it all together in this dazzling interior Eros which is this organizing principle of a symphony which defies imagination in its unspeakable and unbearable beauty and again held together by love. And, every single part is unique. Oh my God, oh my Goddess.

Barbara: Every single cell seems to know what its part is. In other words, what its unique part to make an eye, to make an ear, to make a thumb, and every one of them is unique. Now this is such a miracle.

Marc: So there’s this mad love story taking place within us while we’re talking about love in every second.

Barbara: Maybe the cells are getting it too.

Marc: The cells are getting it for sure and we’re going to come back and talk about the cell forgetting. This is the end of our first week. We just began, but you begin to get a hint of what we mean when we say the Universe is a love story. Thank you Barbara. I love you.

Barbara: It’s a story.

Marc: Do you love me?

Barbara: I do, of course.

Marc: That’s so good. I was like going to wait to I was going to say it off camera for real. Love you all. Thank you so much. Next week. Love podcast two.